<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Another trade possibility is the much-traveled Kevin Ollie, who played in only 26 games last year in Philadelphia after playing in all 82 the year before in Cleveland. Ollie's agent, Bill Neff, said his client had been frustrated in Philly under former head coach Jim O'Brien, but is now looking forward to working for new coach Mo Cheeks. But if the Knicks want to trade for him, Ollie would still be happy. Neff said his client, who will earn about $10 million over the next three years, would relish the opportunity to play for Brown again. Ollie played for Brown in Philadelphia and also for Knicks GM Isiah Thomas in Indiana in 2001-02. "Kevin loved playing for Larry Brown, and for Isiah," Neff said. "He's committed to the Sixers and he's eager to get a chance with Mo Cheeks. But if something were to happen, he'd be thrilled because he has so much respect for those guys. If the Knicks do end up moving Marbury, it might be a good fit because Kevin can definitely guard taller guards." </div> link:http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?...0000.xml&coll=1 the knicks want kevin ollie? well they can have him if they want. i really dont care. they can have his huge contract. maybe we can trade him to the knicks for a second round pick? after all, larry brown's the coach, and he hates playing rookies.
Wonder if we can get a bag of chips for him, and maybe a bottle of water. Honestly, though Ollie is one of the biggest busts in the NBA. He is a good ball handler when it comes to assist to turnover ratio, but he can not carry an offense when on the court (look at Cleveland two years ago when they made him the starter). If we could get a second round pick for him we already got the better end of that deal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Wonder if we can get a bag of chips for him, and maybe a bottle of water. Honestly, though Ollie is one of the biggest busts in the NBA. He is a good ball handler when it comes to assist to turnover ratio, but he can not carry an offense when on the court (look at Cleveland two years ago when they made him the starter). If we could get a second round pick for him we already got the better end of that deal.</div> How? He was not drafted and went through 7 teams before he got his first big contract. It's not his fault anyways because the Cavs gave him that contract so he can "mentor" LeBron at the point. He played decent with the Cavs but then his PT was cut when McInnis was acquired. Philly then acquired him again, and he didn't get much PT either because their wasn't enough minutes to go around. Cleveland started him for 7 because they had no PG at all. He's a 3rd string PG in the NBA, and should never carry an NBA team. His job also is not to carry the offense. Teams acquire him to take care of the ball, play his D, and make smart half court decisions; not to be the playmaker, because he is not capable of that. If he was, he would not be a 3rd string PG in the NBA.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">How? He was not drafted and went through 7 teams before he got his first big contract. It's not his fault anyways because the Cavs gave him that contract so he can "mentor" LeBron at the point. He played decent with the Cavs but then his PT was cut when McInnis was acquired. Philly then acquired him again, and he didn't get much PT either because their wasn't enough minutes to go around. Cleveland started him for 7 because they had no PG at all. He's a 3rd string PG in the NBA, and should never carry an NBA team. His job also is not to carry the offense. Teams acquire him to take care of the ball, play his D, and make smart half court decisions; not to be the playmaker, because he is not capable of that. If he was, he would not be a 3rd string PG in the NBA.</div> Is it his fault that he got a big contract, no everyone has to do the best for them selves. Does that change the fact he does not deserve that contract, and has really not shown much to make him worth anything over the minimum in the league. Ollie is a good ball handler, but that's just something you say to be politically correct. He is a bust for his contract; a third string point guard should not be scheduled to make over nine million dollars over the next three seasons. If the Knicks want him take him god knows he has not done anything for the 76ers. He has not received any playing time, because he is not that good a player he has certain aspects to his game that are above average, but nothing to make him receive consistent minutes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Is it his fault that he got a big contract, no everyone has to do the best for them selves. Does that change the fact he does not deserve that contract, and has really not shown much to make him worth anything over the minimum in the league. Ollie is a good ball handler, but that's just something you say to be politically correct. He is a bust for his contract; a third string point guard should not be scheduled to make over nine million dollars over the next three seasons. If the Knicks want him take him god knows he has not done anything for the 76ers. He has not received any playing time, because he is not that good a player he has certain aspects to his game that are above average, but nothing to make him receive consistent minutes.</div> So basically what you're saying is that just because he may not be worth his contract (which I disagree with) he's a "bust". I don't think anyone considers him a bust. It's not like he was coming off a monster season when he received that contract. He was 30 and a FA once again. Cleveland was probably quite satisfied with his production and mentoring to LeBron, they just overpaid him for his duties. What they really needed was a better PG since LeBron progressed fast and they acquired a better PG (McInnis). They moved on. Plus 3 million dollars? That's pocket change in the NBA these days. There are better players than Ollie, but to consider him a bust because a team overpaid him is a joke. And yes, I just stated that Ollie is a good ball handler to sound politcally correct
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">So basically what you're saying is that just because he may not be worth his contract (which I disagree with) he's a "bust". I don't think anyone considers him a bust. It's not like he was coming off a monster season when he received that contract. He was 30 and a FA once again. Cleveland was probably quite satisfied with his production and mentoring to LeBron, they just overpaid him for his duties. What they really needed was a better PG since LeBron progressed fast and they acquired a better PG (McInnis). They moved on. Plus 3 million dollars? That's pocket change in the NBA these days. There are better players than Ollie, but to consider him a bust because a team overpaid him is a joke. And yes, I just stated that Ollie is a good ball handler to sound politcally correct </div> You have the right to have your opinion, but lucky for you have never had to have him on your team. With this type of deal, and no type of product on the court. I stated the same thing you are saying right now when the Cavaliers were disrespecting his game a few years back in their forum, but now I see they are completely correct. Tell me what you feel he has done to deserve this contract he currently has? You yourself said he is a third string point guard how many do you see with that type of contract?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Plus 3 million dollars? That's pocket change in the NBA these days. There are better players than Ollie, but to consider him a bust because a team overpaid him is a joke.</div> 3 milllion dollars isnt a lot in the nba. but the thing is, he has like 3 more years on his contract, and that all adds up to 10 million dollars. do you really think he is worth 10 million dollars? better yet. do you think a third string point guard is worth 10 million dollars?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">You have the right to have your opinion, but lucky for you have never had to have him on your team. With this type of deal, and no type of product on the court. I stated the same thing you are saying right now when the Cavaliers were disrespecting his game a few years back in their forum, but now I see they are completely correct. Tell me what you feel he has done to deserve this contract he currently has? You yourself said he is a third string point guard how many do you see with that type of contract?</div> Did I say he deserves that contract? I said the Cavs overpaid him, that should of answered you're question right there. I stated this already, the Cavs needed and were desperate someone to hold down the PG posistion to mentor LeBron and hold that spot for a while. Thus, they overpaid to get Ollie since the FA PG crop wasn't great. A whole bunch of players get contracts that they don't deserve. This whole thing was about Ollie being a "bust" when that is not true, because 1) he did not have great expectations 2) he fulfilled those expectations. The Cavs knew what they were going to get out of him. They knew they overpaid him, but that's what it takes to get a FA to sign these days. After they acquire J-Mac and realize LeBron is more ready than anyone initially believed, they were eager to dump him and his contract for a 2nd string PG, that they were in need of. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">3 milllion dollars isnt a lot in the nba. but the thing is, he has like 3 more years on his contract, and that all adds up to 10 million dollars. do you really think he is worth 10 million dollars? better yet. do you think a third string point guard is worth 10 million dollars?</div> Sigh...read my posts and tell me where I said he is worth 10 million dollars. I'm eager to know, so make this quick.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Did I say he deserves that contract? I said the Cavs overpaid him, that should of answered you're question right there. I stated this already, the Cavs needed and were desperate someone to hold down the PG posistion to mentor LeBron and hold that spot for a while. Thus, they overpaid to get Ollie since the FA PG crop wasn't great. A whole bunch of players get contracts that they don't deserve.</div> So you?re arguing for the sake of argument then, because I said <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He is a bust for his contract; a third string point guard should not be scheduled to make over nine million dollars over the next three seasons.</div> Then you replied <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> So basically what you're saying is that just because he may not be worth his contract (which I disagree with) he's a "bust".</div> What do you disagree with me on? You just stated <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Did I say he deserves that contract?</div> Yet when I say he does not deserve that money you say I disagree with that. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">This whole thing was about Ollie being a "bust" when that is not true, because 1) he did not have great expectations 2) he fulfilled those expectations. The Cavs knew what they were going to get out of him. They knew they overpaid him, but that's what it takes to get a FA to sign these days. After they acquire J-Mac and realize LeBron is more ready than anyone initially believed, they were eager to dump him and his contract for a 2nd string PG, that they were in need of. </div> So you stated he was never really being looked at to carry the offense when he was signed to this contract. So the Cavaliers over paid for a third string point guard? You are looking at this, and just seeing the word bust. When in fact I said he is a bust for the contract he was signed. There has been no product on the court to show he was worth anything over the minimum.
There is a saying in real estate .... Your house is only worth what you can get for it. Well, I believe the same holds for basketball players. If Kevin Ollie got a 10 million dollar contract, he was worth it to whichever team gave it to him. If teams trade for him, he must be worth it to them too. Now, you can continue to insist that he is not worth it, but the facts show differently.
Rumor has it that a package trade might be possible (rumor is from a knicks org internal, via another forum). Kevin Ollie, Jamal Mashburn, Aaron Mckie to NYK Tim Thomas, Malik Rose to SIXERS again its a rumor, from someone who says they have a friend who told them who supposibly works internall of the knicks org. Its does sound like a legit trade rumor, with the word about Ollie and NY, so lets just see...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Wonder if we can get a bag of chips for him, and maybe a bottle of water. Honestly, though Ollie is one of the biggest busts in the NBA. He is a good ball handler when it comes to assist to turnover ratio, but he can not carry an offense when on the court (look at Cleveland two years ago when they made him the starter). If we could get a second round pick for him we already got the better end of that deal.</div> We probably can get a card board cutout of Stephon plus a second round pick would do the trick. I wouldn't call Ollie a bust though. He made the best out of what hand he was dealt.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What do you disagree with me on? You just stated".</div> To make the statement clear, I implied that I disagree with your comments saying that he is a bust because of his contract and supporting comments. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So you stated he was never really being looked at to carry the offense when he was signed to this contract. So the Cavaliers over paid for a third string point guard? You are looking at this, and just seeing the word bust. When in fact I said he is a bust for the contract he was signed. There has been no product on the court to show he was worth anything over the minimum.</div> The Cavaliers did overpay for him, but when he was there, he produced for what he was being payed. So really the Cavs didn't "overpay" him because they got what they wanted out of him and were able to trade him. Any PG who can take care of the ball for a good 15 minutes a game and distribute effectively and have solid possessions, without turning the ball over constantly is worth more than the minimum. He showed that in Cleveland until they acquired better players. (without playing) Now, the Sixers might be overpaying him because he never plays, and when he does theyre not huge minutes. A 3rd string PG does not deserve 3plus million a year. If he were given the role as he were in Cleveland then I'm sure you wouldn't consider him a bust. However that won't be the case since the Sixers have AI logging 40 plus at PG.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">So basically what you're saying is that just because he may not be worth his contract (which I disagree with) he's a "bust".</div> That sentence right there shows you think he is worth a $10 million contract. I don't think Ollie is worth that much considering he hasn't done much throughout his NBA career. Let's take a look at another point guard that joined a new team this summer. Keyon Dooling signed a $11 million contract with the Orlando Magic and he is a much more productive player the Ollie yet he is only making $1 million more then him. Ollie isn't worth $10 million so I have no idea what the Knicks are thinking. To me it sounds like another decent player being overpaid by the Knicks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">That sentence right there shows you think he is worth a $10 million contract.</div> Read my post because I cleared that statement up. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">To me it sounds like another decent player being overpaid by the Knicks</div> That's what the market is though. Decent players get big money. Mark Madsen, Brian Scalabrine and co.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post"> That's what the market is though. Decent players get big money. Mark Madsen, Brian Scalabrine and co.</div> Does that necessarily make it good to add a piece that is not really required? The market is dependent on the teams not visa versa. When they offer average players more money than they deserve that is what determines the market. Should they offer them what they really deserve the offers will be a hell of a lot lower. Also Madsen signed only a six-digit contract with the Wolves when he signed with them. Perhaps bust was the wrong word to use considering he never had the talent to be considered a bust, but underachiever (for the money he is paid), over played, etc those are all words the are synonymous or should be with Kevin Ollie.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Does that necessarily make it good to add a piece that is not really required? The market is dependent on the teams not visa versa. When they offer average players more money than they deserve that is what determines the market. Should they offer them what they really deserve the offers will be a hell of a lot lower. Also Madsen signed only a six-digit contract with the Wolves when he signed with them. </div> Yeah...I wasn't disputing that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Perhaps bust was the wrong word to use considering he never had the talent to be considered a bust, but underachiever (for the money he is paid), over played, etc those are all words the are synonymous or should be with Kevin Ollie.</div>
Trade idea: Philadelphia sends Marc Jackson, Kevin Ollie and Aaron McKie NY sends Tim Thomas That's just a trade people have been discussing on other message boards. Not an official rumor. However, considering Isaiah under L.B.'s advisory they could pull off some stupid trades. I think it is worth a shot throwing some offers for Ollie because it's evident that Larry really wants his old players back (like Eric Snow). Let's just say L.B. wouldn't make the best GM.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Trade idea: Philadelphia sends Marc Jackson, Kevin Ollie and Aaron McKie NY sends Tim Thomas</div> In my opinion, that would be a bad trade for us. I know, I know, its just a board rumor but I still have to comment on this. Trading one of the more consistent guys on the team in Marc Jackson and trading away our locker room leader for an underachieving player that can't rebound is definitely a bad idea. Tim Thomas wouldn't be an ideal fit for our situation right now. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> That's just a trade people have been discussing on other message boards. Not an official rumor. However, considering Isaiah under L.B.'s advisory they could pull off some stupid trades. I think it is worth a shot throwing some offers for Ollie because it's evident that Larry really wants his old players back (like Eric Snow). Let's just say L.B. wouldn't make the best GM.</div> LOL. That would be funny if Larry Brown gets like 40% of the players from Philadelphia back (ie. Snow, Ollie, Mckie, or Mutumbo). Thats true, but I'm not sure even Isiah Thomas is stupid enough to give away a good player in return for Ollie.
Ollie isn't that bad, I mean he is nothing special but it is not like he makes a fool of himself when he gets into the game. He can make plays I remember he had good assists to turnover ratio one year so at least he can do something serviceable. But at the same time it wouldn't be a big deal if the Sixers traded him, I feel bad he has to ride the pine for Philadelphia all the time maybe a deal out of Philly would be good for him.
