<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">Ollie isn't that bad, I mean he is nothing special but it is not like he makes a fool of himself when he gets into the game.</div> Agreed. People hate on Kevin so much, even though he really never gets the chance to play (especially under Coach O'Brien). He's been all over the league his whole career and unfortunatly has just been, I guess you would say "a third string point-guard". If he were given the minutes I bet he could be a great 6th man. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Trading one of the more consistent guys on the team in Marc Jackson and trading away our locker room leader for an underachieving player that can't rebound is definitely a bad idea.</div> Disagree with you there. First of all I don't find Marc Jackson consistant at all. We see great heroics from him giving us those in-the-paint buckets near the end of the game, but when it matters most under pressure he struggles. He's not a great defensive prescence and got shut down completely by the Wallace's in the first round. Only reason I would consider keeping him is because he's a great free throw shooter and has a mid-range jumper for a big guy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sixerholic:</div><div class="quote_post">Disagree with you there. First of all I don't find Marc Jackson consistant at all. We see great heroics from him giving us those in-the-paint buckets near the end of the game, but when it matters most under pressure he struggles. He's not a great defensive prescence and got shut down completely by the Wallace's in the first round. Only reason I would consider keeping him is because he's a great free throw shooter and has a mid-range jumper for a big guy.</div> yeah, well, marc jackson may not be a special player or anything, but is is good when he is used as a sixth man. think about it, if we trade him away, who's going to back up sammy at center? and who's going to back up webber at power forward?
Well I think that for the most part Marc Jackson was a reliable player for us this season he averaged 12 points during the regular season, and played all 81 games. He failed to reach double digit scoring 26 times during his 81 regular season appearances, but most of those came early in the year when JO was trying to work out were, and how he was going to use him in the lineup. Sixerholic is correct he did practically disappear in the playoffs, but that was not entirely his fault. Allen?s shot attempts went up, Webbers shot attempts went up, and Iguodala?s did as well, all those shots had to come from somewhere. No one in Philadelphia expects Jackson to be a dominant factor in the playoffs; he is a consistent regular season performer, and a decent player who can make an open shot. He is not a guy who we are going to tell go and score some points for us in the playoffs. We will take what we can get from him of course this years performance was sad to say the least, but then again the Pistons defense is possibly the best in the league. I think he is a piece we can count on, and will be on our roster next season he can score when he is given a shot in his range, and plays with a lot of emotion. If we do this trade with NY and acquire a Tim Thomas and others we can have a pretty good eight-man rotation we can rely on.
Ollie is the type of PG Brown loves...someone steady and reliable who can run a team...I think he'd be a nice fit in NY but hes not necessarily the answer at PG...hes a backup who can give you 18-20 solid minutes...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CMaTT:</div><div class="quote_post">Rumor has it that a package trade might be possible (rumor is from a knicks org internal, via another forum). Kevin Ollie, Jamal Mashburn, Aaron Mckie to NYK Tim Thomas, Malik Rose to SIXERS </div> I'd do this in a heartbeat. Mash and Mckie sure aren't getting older, and thomas can play no matter what people say. Malik Rose would also be a nice compliment to the 76ers IMO
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WhiteManCanJump:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd do this in a heartbeat. Mash and Mckie sure aren't getting older, and thomas can play no matter what people say. Malik Rose would also be a nice compliment to the 76ers IMO</div> Mashburn would be in that deal simply to make the contracts match up I believe. It has been said he played his last game in the NBA and will not be returning. His contract will come off whatever team has them on their roster after next season I believe. In the grand scheme of things though I agree with you. This trade is a steal for us. Only real player we will be losing who has contributed to our roster that we will lose is Aaron Mckie. I am not a big fan of Tim Thomas, but he can put some points up, and is in the last year of his deal so we will not have to keep him should he not work out. Rose although undersized, and has a pretty big contract would give us something we desperately desire a big man to add further depth to our front court. He is a spark of the bench with his hustle play and energy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">In my opinion, that would be a bad trade for us. I know, I know, its just a board rumor but I still have to comment on this. Trading one of the more consistent guys on the team in Marc Jackson and trading away our locker room leader for an underachieving player that can't rebound is definitely a bad idea. Tim Thomas wouldn't be an ideal fit for our situation right now.</div> Well, Tim Thomas does have a 14 million dollar expiring contract. In addition, he shoots 40% from behind the arc. And in the playoffs, he shoots excellently from the field (46%) and 3-point range (43%). Other than Korver, who else will provide a shooting threat? Tim Thomas would be okay and considering he has a house there in Philly, he might just have some 76ers aspirations when he becomes a free agent. I can understand why you wouldn't want to give away Marc Jackson, I just don't think Tim Thomas is as bad as everyone makes him out to be sometimes. Anyway, the Knicks get raped in this deal - I'd rather try to go after Eric Snow if these are the type of results taking place.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Tim Thomas does have a 14 million dollar expiring contract. In addition, he shoots 40% from behind the arc. And in the playoffs, he shoots excellently from the field (46%) and 3-point range (43%). Other than Korver, who else will provide a shooting threat? Tim Thomas would be okay and considering he has a house there in Philly, he might just have some 76ers aspirations when he becomes a free agent. I can understand why you wouldn't want to give away Marc Jackson, I just don't think Tim Thomas is as bad as everyone makes him out to be sometimes. Anyway, the Knicks get raped in this deal - I'd rather try to go after Eric Snow if these are the type of results taking place.</div> True, but Phildelphia doesn't exactly need a shooter. Sure, we need a small forward starter, but we have an even bigger need of low post player that can rebound. Tim Thomas would be good for us as a small forward, as underachieving as he is, but he's a horrible rebounder so I just think we should tend to the bigger need first. Of course, its debatable on which needs more fixing, the small forward position or a backup powerforward- its just my stance on things. Knicks do get raped talent wise, but that might be the point of the trade. To exchange an unwanted ego for a couple of "team players" that would overall boost the team chemistry for the Knicks. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, it would give Trevor Ariza more time at small forward since they now have a log jam at the two and three after acquiring Richardson.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CMaTT:</div><div class="quote_post">Rumor has it that a package trade might be possible (rumor is from a knicks org internal, via another forum). Kevin Ollie, Jamal Mashburn, Aaron Mckie to NYK Tim Thomas, Malik Rose to SIXERS again its a rumor, from someone who says they have a friend who told them who supposibly works internall of the knicks org. Its does sound like a legit trade rumor, with the word about Ollie and NY, so lets just see...</div> I like that trade, like Mr J said Tim Thomas has an expiring contract so after this season the 76ers could have a big contract off the books. Also Tim Thomas can still play despite what people may say. He could start for the 76ers at the small forward spot where they need someone to start instead of Korver. Also I like Malik Rose's game. He gives 100% off the bench and could provide and back up big man at the power forward spot.
Kevin Ollie= Garbage He does nothing for this team. Takes 3 million of our CAP space. Quite Frankly I wouldn't even pay him 1 million.
