<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>I like Miami in this game. I thought it would be close before but now I think Miami wins by double digits. Hines Ward isn't 100% Roelisberger is out. 1st real game without the bus. The secondary has it's problem. I like Miami by 10+ in this game.</div> I'll take the Steelers +8 smart guy. My signature vs. yours. Weeks 2 through 4 and 40 posts. You got the stones to back up that guess?</div> I don't really like to bet on other games. I'll bet on Lions vs. Packers when they play. What happpens if Miami wins by 3 then? What happens if Pitt wins by 3 then? Because of that.. I'll take the Fins and you take the Steelers works for me. and I'll counter your offer with it's left up for one week or 25 posts. Which ever one comes 1st.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>You couldnt be more wrong about the comparison between rookie RBs and WRs...they are very different positions....one is almost completely instinctual while the other is about multiple reads and precision routes....its very rare for a rookie WR to have a good season(Boldin and Moss being the exceptions), but rookie backs come in and do well every year....RB is the easiest position to come in and succeed at, and there are a lot of examples of rookies having outstanding seasons(these are rookie rushing totals....Terrell Davis-1100 , Edge James-1500, Dickerson-1800, Abdul-Jabbar-1100, OJ Anderson-1600, Bettis-1400)....as you can see, its a mixture of superstars and avg running backs....in all, 43 RBs have run for more than a 1000 yards in thier rookie seasons....find me half that number of WRs that have done the same thing....in the last 10 years I could only come up with 3(moss, boldin, terry glenn), while there have been 10 times that number of RBs that have achieved the number....</div> Exactly. Even Jerry Rice struggled early on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Two words spell doom for the Steelers in this game: Charlie Batch</div> Yeah I saw Batch play horribe against Green Bay last year and I saw Green Bay actually hang around them because of that. Miami is a far superior team to the Pack and because of that I think the score is something like 24-10 - Miami. If Ben Roelisberger was playing and if Ward was heathy then I'd take Pitt in a close one. Without Big Ben though I don't like their chances.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>You couldnt be more wrong about the comparison between rookie RBs and WRs...they are very different positions....one is almost completely instinctual while the other is about multiple reads and precision routes....its very rare for a rookie WR to have a good season(Boldin and Moss being the exceptions), but rookie backs come in and do well every year....RB is the easiest position to come in and succeed at, and there are a lot of examples of rookies having outstanding seasons(these are rookie rushing totals....Terrell Davis-1100 , Edge James-1500, Dickerson-1800, Abdul-Jabbar-1100, OJ Anderson-1600, Bettis-1400)....as you can see, its a mixture of superstars and avg running backs....in all, 43 RBs have run for more than a 1000 yards in thier rookie seasons....find me half that number of WRs that have done the same thing....in the last 10 years I could only come up with 3(moss, boldin, terry glenn), while there have been 10 times that number of RBs that have achieved the number....</div> OK we are getting way off topic here. I may be wrong by saying that WR translates the same as RB translates. But, the point I am trying to make is Pittsburgh is deeper at Receiver than I think alot of people give them credit for. I am not going to compare them to every other roster out there....so I will compare them to Miami. Take away each #1 Chambers and Ward...Look at #2 Booker / Wilson comparbale stats although Booker has been around alot longer. Then you look at #3 The Dolphins have ONE guy that has started ONE game and nobody else projected to have an impact. The Steelers have Nate Washington, a guy that came on in the playoffs to catch a couple and has looked good in the preseason. Next they have the first WR taken in this years draft who is competing for number 3 in Holmes and another speedster in Reid that has had a good preseason. The 6th guy is a special teams veteran....but whose #6 isn't? Even if they don't have the NFL experience, these guys can contribute more out of pure talent than alot of rosters out there. I really dont see how you can say the Steelers have "pitiful" depth when their #4 receiver was the first WR taken in the draft. The fact that Holmes may not start right away should tell you that the Steelers have some depth at the position.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>Thats BS There is not much difference at all between when WR talent translates and RB talent translates. Look at Boldin...he had an outstanding year for a terrible team his rookie year.</div> Huh? Gotta disagree with you there - there is a HUGE difference between how WR talent translates and how RB talent translates... I would go so far as to say that the easiest position to adjust to is DL, followed by RB. The most difficult part of the transition for a RB is learning how to block and pick up blocking schemes. As far as running the ball, it is pretty much an even transition from college. WR's, on the other hand, need to learn a lot of new stuff. There is a lot of new technique in dealing with better corners, new routes to learn, reading defenses, and working with a new QB.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Two words spell doom for the Steelers in this game: Charlie Batch</div> He is a capable back-up. He has had a ton of reps this preseason so he is as ready as he will ever be. He may not throw for 300, but he can complete 15-20 passes, keep the D honest and keep the Steelers in their gameplan. Look for him to find Miller often....back-ups love the tight end.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>OK we are getting way off topic here. I may be wrong by saying that WR translates the same as RB translates. But, the point I am trying to make is Pittsburgh is deeper at Receiver than I think alot of people give them credit for. I am not going to compare them to every other roster out there....so I will compare them to Miami. Take away each #1 Chambers and Ward...Look at #2 Booker / Wilson comparbale stats although Booker has been around alot longer. Then you look at #3 The Dolphins have ONE guy that has started ONE game and nobody else projected to have an impact. The Steelers have Nate Washington, a guy that came on in the playoffs to catch a couple and has looked good in the preseason. Next they have the first WR taken in this years draft who is competing for number 3 in Holmes and another speedster in Reid that has had a good preseason. The 6th guy is a special teams veteran....but whose #6 isn't? Even if they don't have the NFL experience, these guys can contribute more out of pure talent than alot of rosters out there. I really dont see how you can say the Steelers have "pitiful" depth when their #4 receiver was the first WR taken in the draft. The fact that Holmes may not start right away should tell you that the Steelers have some depth at the position.</div> I wouldn't say that Pittsburgh necessarily has pitiful depth at WR, but give me the option between Miami's starting WR's and the Steeler's starting WR's, I'll take Miami. If we are playing 3rd or 4th string, then maybe Black and Yellow/Gold wins.
You want to know the difference between Miami's WRs and Pittsburgh's WRs for the purpose of this discussion? No one is sayng Miami has good depth at the position.....you couldnt have picked 2 more similar teams to compare to each other, in terms of WR depth and neither of them is good....I dont think Miami's is worse though, about the same....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>You want to know the difference between Miami's WRs and Pittsburgh's WRs for the purpose of this discussion? No one is sayng Miami has good depth at the position.....you couldnt have picked 2 more similar teams to compare to each other, in terms of WR depth and neither of them is good....I dont think Miami's is worse though, about the same....</div> Well, if you look at the topic it is called "key to Thursdays game" thats why I chose Miami to compare. The two receiving corps are about the same, the difference being Santonio Holmes and what he will be able to do when he gets some experience. Although, Reid impressed me this preseason. What would be good receiving depth to you? Can you name me a team with what you would consider good receiving depth?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>OK we are getting way off topic here. I may be wrong by saying that WR translates the same as RB translates. But, the point I am trying to make is Pittsburgh is deeper at Receiver than I think alot of people give them credit for. I am not going to compare them to every other roster out there....so I will compare them to Miami. Take away each #1 Chambers and Ward...Look at #2 Booker / Wilson comparbale stats although Booker has been around alot longer. Then you look at #3 The Dolphins have ONE guy that has started ONE game and nobody else projected to have an impact. The Steelers have Nate Washington, a guy that came on in the playoffs to catch a couple and has looked good in the preseason. Next they have the first WR taken in this years draft who is competing for number 3 in Holmes and another speedster in Reid that has had a good preseason. The 6th guy is a special teams veteran....but whose #6 isn't? Even if they don't have the NFL experience, these guys can contribute more out of pure talent than alot of rosters out there. I really dont see how you can say the Steelers have "pitiful" depth when their #4 receiver was the first WR taken in the draft. The fact that Holmes may not start right away should tell you that the Steelers have some depth at the position.</div> I wouldn't say that Pittsburgh necessarily has pitiful depth at WR, but give me the option between Miami's starting WR's and the Steeler's starting WR's, I'll take Miami. If we are playing 3rd or 4th string, then maybe Black and Yellow/Gold wins. </div> what you have to consider is that 3, 4 and even 5 receiver sets are not uncommon, even in the run-first Pittsburgh offense. So if you want to compare WRs you better go to at least # 4.
A couple points: None of the the Dolphins fans are talking crap here, its fans of other teams that are saying its Miami in a walk....every Dolphin fan here has been cuatiously optimistic.... No one is claiming the Dolphins have good depth at WR. After the starters, the only guy with experience is Welker, and he has 29 total catches. Now, thats 28 more than all of Pittsburgh's backup wideouts, but that doesnt mean hes a good number 3....both teams have pitiful depth at WR.... New Orleans doesnt have good depth at RB right now because Bush is unproven, McAllister is coming off a devestating injury and Stecker is hurt....but thats a better situation than either of the above mentioned teams has at WR in terms of depth....If Bush can play in the league, we will know right away and thats the difference between him and Santonio Holmes....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>What would be good receiving depth to you? Can you name me a team with what you would consider good receiving depth?</div> Yeah, the Rams have outstanding WR depth....the number 3 caught 60 passes for 801 yards, the number 4 caught 46 passes for 523 yards, the number 5 caught 23 passes for 237 yards....thats some serious proven depth in a wide reciever corps....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>Clearly AZ comes to mind 1st. Other teams I would include are NYG & Was.</div> good call about the Redskins....I can only think of some real good 1s and 2s for NYG and AZ
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>What would be good receiving depth to you? Can you name me a team with what you would consider good receiving depth?</div> Yeah, the Rams have outstanding WR depth....the number 3 caught 60 passes for 801 yards, the number 4 caught 46 passes for 523 yards, the number 5 caught 23 passes for 237 yards....thats some serious proven depth in a wide reciever corps....</div> That is impressive....but that doesnt make the steelers depth pitiful. Rather than argue the word, I will just say that if Ward is unable to play much it will force a couple of potential game-changers into the spotlight. I am excited to see what they can do, it's not as if the Steelers will have to play slower less-capable receivers, just young ones with a ton of potential.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>People forget that Bryant Johnson was a #1 pick prior to Boldin that same year.</div> I'd plead apathy but I just don't care
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>Also, we both know that Chris Henry leads wll WRs in arrests, not to mention severity of those arrests.</div> If Santonio Holmes doesn't have the Silver in this "event" then he has the broze w/o question. LOL.
