<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Sep 9 2006, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Owned everyone man to man? He made some great man to man plays, but he did gamble trying to go for steals and such, but he had a great frontline behind him to back him up. Why do you think he doesn't gamble hald as much anymore, and people don't call him a great defender anymore? He used to play players like AI and T-Mac very agressively, but if they got past him he had that frontline. Now he plays them looser as he doesn't have such a great frontline, and players are scoring more on him? I never said Wade was a better defender, man to man or gambling, but if you are gonna call Wade not a good defender because he is an elite help defender and not much better than average man to man defender is crazy since Kobe isn't a top of the line man to man defender either.Battier shouldn't gamble, he can't run the break like Wade, which is the whole point of getting a steal on the perimeter. He is much better off doing his own thing. But it was clear the USA wanted to push the ball and get their shots. What happenned when they couldn't get those steals? They lost.2 way players? Bron can't play good man to man defense, and he is another one who gambles a ton. Shot blocking? For career Wade blocks more shots than either of them. Clutch players? Kobe yes, Bron is still far from being a clutch player. Wade is also a fantastic PG/playmaker, averaging near 7APG past 2 seasons, and being one of best players in league at penetrating and dishing.I still don't get what you have against Wade...</div>I have nothing against wade, if there is a reason why i dislike him it's because he plays for the heat. Bron's 2nd in points in the 4th. His passes to an open game for the win is clutch. He may not be a bonafide clutch player like Kobe but he is definently no slouch.Why i pick lebron over wade? Lebron's better then wade at the age of 21. I'd say by 08, he'll be the best in the league. Wade's a combo guard. I already have enough guards and really he isn't needed. I need a 3 who can score, pass, rebound. Lebron fits that bill. Wade's skills are not needed on my team. I have passing, clutchness, penetration and shooting. Again, that team i put together has no use for wade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Sep 8 2006, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have nothing against wade, if there is a reason why i dislike him it's because he plays for the heat. Bron's 2nd in points in the 4th. His passes to an open game for the win is clutch. He may not be a bonafide clutch player like Kobe but he is definently no slouch.Why i pick lebron over wade? Lebron's better then wade at the age of 21. I'd say by 08, he'll be the best in the league. Wade's a combo guard. I already have enough guards and really he isn't needed. I need a 3 who can score, pass, rebound. Lebron fits that bill. Wade's skills are not needed on my team. I have passing, clutchness, penetration and shooting. Again, that team i put together has no use for wade.</div>He is 2nd in points in 4th, but when time comes to beat the other team and totally take over, he doesn't fit the bill. He almost always has dissapeared. He was 10% in game winning shots with 24 seconds left in game before he hit a nice GW towards end oif season, and had 2 GW's in playoffs which...welll.....you know my opinion there. He missed a game tying FT against Melo in seaosn with less than a second left, he went quiet while Kobe scored 8pts in last 2min to beat Cavs, he shot 3 FG's in 2nd half vs I don't know who in a very close game which they lost, etc... Just because he was better at age of 21 doesn't mean a thing. Bron was a lot better at 21 than Kobe, but you'd be crazy to take Bron over Kobe right now, or in '08 if he doesn't improve that defense and killer instinct.Wade gives you 27/7/6 on 50% shooting. In terms of pure stats he fits that bill better than anyone not named LeBron in the game.And again, I don't know why you wouldn't want an un-selfish player like Wade at least coming off the bench. He is efficient, gets job done, and can take over game if team is slouching.
Again, i only wanted 2 legit superstars. I picked lebron and kobe for the reasons i've stated above. The team i have has everything you need to win.I'd take wade along incase of injury but if everyone's healthy he doesn't need to play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Sep 8 2006, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again, i only wanted 2 legit superstars. I picked lebron and kobe for the reasons i've stated above. The team i have has everything you need to win.I'd take wade along incase of injury but if everyone's healthy he doesn't need to play.</div>Well I don't understand the point of only having 2 great players. Getting a bunch of role players will do you no good, either. All the players on the USA were unselfish and knew their roles (except Bron, the dude needs to be more agressive scoring the ball!), they just couldn't defend the pick and roll or shoot free throws. Both of which Chauncey and Kobe fill.
I'm not getting a bunch of role players, guys like howard, hinrich and Artest are all allstars. I balanced that team out. I'll tell you how i formed my teamPg defense- Hinrich/billupsMan to man defense- Artest/Kobe/BattierShot blocking- Howard/OdenClutch play- Kobe/Billups/LebronScoring- Kobe/Lebron/PierceShooting- Billups/Miller/KobeLeadership- Billups/Kobe/PierceWade would help me in the penetration department but the players i picked will be enough. It isn't like i randomly put these players together, i actually thought about what a team needs.
I disagree with your team. My team and it's needs would look like thisG- Billups/Paul- Billups is great on ball defender and is clutch, along with great shooter.SG: Kobe/Wade/Michael Redd- Kobe and Wade both give you almost the same thing offensively and will perform in clutch, and defensively Wade gives you the spark of getting loose balls and getting into open court which is USA's bread and butter while Kobe will be better with pick and roll and will be better at slowing down players. Redd is in their for pure shooting if team is struggling from 3.SF: LeBron/Melo/Artest- Bron will get you points off driving and great passing/rebounding, Melo will get you jumpshots and clutch shots, and Artest will be the physical presence and also can get you points/rebounds.PF: Amare (healthy)/Brand- Amare is the future in PF's and will get you tons of points and boards, and Brand willg et some jump shots and rebounds.C: Howard/Miller/Oden- Howard will get rebounds and put backs, and Miller can hit jump shots.Oden will get tons of rebounds as well.That team has everything you need. No need for Hinrich, or Pierce (especially Pierce).
I just don't like the idea of having that many superstars. Can you imagine the ego's clashing [i've noticed wade and lebron's ego are growing by the minute]. I can see it getting ugly. And add kobe into the mix....Chris paul's pressure is nice but he's also a gambler and i see hinrich as a better defender. He lacks consistent range from 3.Your team lacks man to man defenders, melo/lebron/amare are not good defenders.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Sep 8 2006, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just don't like the idea of having that many superstars. Can you imagine the ego's clashing [i've noticed wade and lebron's ego are growing by the minute]. I can see it getting ugly. And add kobe into the mix....Chris paul's pressure is nice but he's also a gambler and i see hinrich as a better defender. He lacks consistent range from 3.</div>There were no problems with ego's these WC's. LeBron was very generous with ball, as was Wade (although he did more scoring). I don't see Kobe being a problem as players will no he is main option for scoring, but I definately think adding Pierce in would be a problem, with or without Wade.Paul's pressure is beauitful. He was one consistent steal guy for the USA, runs break great, and is great passer. That is USA basketball. USA doesn't need a slowed down game, they just need defense that can stop the pick and roll, and better FT shooters. After that USA needs nothing. Hinrich and Pierce would be deterants IMO.
In 08, there will be. Lebron and Wade will be 2 of the best players in the world. Their ego's have grown this season and by 08 there is no reason to say it won't be bigger.What team usa really needs? Guys who can adapt to any system that is thrown to them, guys who can defends the pick and roll. Guys who can hold their man down. Guys who don't gamble. Guys who can shoot. The only person who i'd swap is pierce for redd to help me with my shooting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Sep 8 2006, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In 08, there will be. Lebron and Wade will be 2 of the best players in the world. Their ego's have grown this season and by 08 there is no reason to say it won't be bigger.What team usa really needs? Guys who can adapt to any system that is thrown to them, guys who can defends the pick and roll. Guys who can hold their man down. Guys who don't gamble. Guys who can shoot. The only person who i'd swap is pierce for redd to help me with my shooting.</div>They are 2 of the biggest stars right now, but both shown that they can adapt to not being number 1 scoring options and playing their role. Both are very unselfish and very humble to the game. Both want to win.USA needs to defend pick and roll better, but if they want to beat teams it will be by pressuring teams and scoring easy buckets. Kobe and Chauncey can do both extremely well and will give team everything it needs. But taking away Wade for Pierce, and taking away Paul really guts the heart and soul of what made them go 8-1 and killing each team outside of Greece and Italy. Then it will be a bit too slowed down and conservative, and won't take advantage of what makes the USA so good....athleticism. And talk about ego's clashing, Paul doesn't have anything to offer with Kobe and Melo on the team. He is a great one on one scorer, but that won't be shown much on the team, and he has never really played 2nd fiddle scoring before, let alone farther down than that.
