<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No, it's not the same logic. The way he pushed the ball yesterday was once standard, but now he does that once a fortnight.</div> Oh, really? Now the same thing can be said about Carter. Yesterday he was playing a high level, and not like someone who is plagued by injury. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>If Kidd runs hard, so will RJ, Boone, Boki, and Sean.</div> And if Carter plays well we have a good chance at beating any team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Owners and GMs aren't going to put up with that type of non-sense from a sports agent. Neither will the players union.</div> I'm really confused as to why you believe this does already go on today. This is standard practice and it is this type of power that wins clients for agents. </div> I haven't seen it done in public before. I'm sure behind the scenes there's a lot of posturing and side deals. I know for a fact those go on, but this is new precedent for an agent to go public and say he'll advise his current and future agents from joining the Nets. I don't even think Drew Rosenhaus has gone this far yet. </div> If you read the article, you'll see that the agent didn't go public. Rather it was the Nets front office that leaked this to the media. </div> Yeah thru Kidd via his agent. </div> Never doubted for a second that the agent said this to the Nets, nor do I doubt that other well known agents have said the same thing to other teams. Again, the only difference here is that the Nets told the media. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nets sources said the message came with the warning that Schwartz will steer other clients away from New Jersey in the future if they try to send Kidd to a lottery team.</div> Do you remember when the Warriors gave Murphy and JRich new contracts? They both had the same agent and it was an obvious package deal. Agents have brought players to teams and they keep players from teams. It is not a profession with much honor; however, the Nets have fucked themselves by leaking this to the media. Other agents aren't going to be happy to know that their private words will hit the NY papers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Owners and GMs aren't going to put up with that type of non-sense from a sports agent. Neither will the players union.</div> I'm really confused as to why you believe this does already go on today. This is standard practice and it is this type of power that wins clients for agents. </div> I haven't seen it done in public before. I'm sure behind the scenes there's a lot of posturing and side deals. I know for a fact those go on, but this is new precedent for an agent to go public and say he'll advise his current and future agents from joining the Nets. I don't even think Drew Rosenhaus has gone this far yet. </div> If you read the article, you'll see that the agent didn't go public. Rather it was the Nets front office that leaked this to the media. </div> Sure, but you do something like this: REPORTER: Is it true that Jason Kidd's agent, Jeff Schwartz, has demanded that Kidd be traded to a contender or he will direct his other clients not to sign with NJ? THORN: No, that's not true at all. Mr. Schwartz is an experienced agent, as well as an attorney licensed by the state of New York bound by the same ethical rules of conduct as all attorneys. As he knows, such a statement would create a conflict of interest and he'd be violating his fundamental duties of the client-agent relationship towards his other clients who may receive contractual offers from the Nets in the future, as well as possibly being an ethical violation of the attorney rules of conduct. As an employee and executive of the New Jersey Nets organization, if any agent took such action, I'd have a fiduciary duty to report it to the NBA players association, as well as the State Bar of the State of New York, for possible disciplinary action. Mr. Schwartz is a fine, upstanding citizen and representative, and he would never stoop to such trickery.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Owners and GMs aren't going to put up with that type of non-sense from a sports agent. Neither will the players union.</div> I'm really confused as to why you believe this does already go on today. This is standard practice and it is this type of power that wins clients for agents. </div> I haven't seen it done in public before. I'm sure behind the scenes there's a lot of posturing and side deals. I know for a fact those go on, but this is new precedent for an agent to go public and say he'll advise his current and future agents from joining the Nets. I don't even think Drew Rosenhaus has gone this far yet. </div> If you read the article, you'll see that the agent didn't go public. Rather it was the Nets front office that leaked this to the media. </div> Sure, but you do something like this: REPORTER: Is it true that Jason Kidd's agent, Jeff Schwartz, has demanded that Kidd be traded to a contender or he will direct his other clients not to sign with NJ? THORN: No, that's not true at all. Mr. Schwartz is an experienced agent, as well as an attorney licensed by the state of New York bound by the same ethical rules of conduct as all attorneys. As he knows, such a statement would create a conflict of interest and he'd be violating his fundamental duties of the client-agent relationship towards his other clients who may receive contractual offers from the Nets in the future, as well as possibly being an ethical violation of the attorney rules of conduct. As an employee and executive of the New Jersey Nets organization, if any agent took such action, I'd have a fiduciary duty to report it to the NBA players association, as well as the State Bar of the State of New York, for possible disciplinary action. Mr. Schwartz is a fine, upstanding citizen and representative, and he would never stoop to such trickery. </div> Tis a nice dream Dumpy, but you use to work inside the beltway. You think things happen like that on K Street?
Before the Marion deal, I read somewhere that Cleveland was asked about a possible deal, but of course Dan Fegan is Marion's agent, he is also Varejao's agent as well.....
I'll assume that's a rhetorical question. There are a number of MLB teams that will not do business with Scott Boras or his clients, and that is always an option as well.
Dallas has just lost to 76ers. We're getting closer to making Cuban to shell out I hope Thorn is not insane to accept anything less than Devin Harris ("J. Terry, Diop, and one first rounder" like one Mavs' fan suggested to me)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 11 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Moo2K4 @ Feb 11 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't the Nets just blow it up like the Heat and Grizzlies? They're clearly going nowhere, so just blow it up, trade away your superstars and start from scratch. They can't get any worse. Plus, what's the point of making the playoffs as the 7 or 8 seed, only to get swept by Detroit or Boston in the first round? If you're going to suck, might as well get a lottery pick out of it instead of another first round exit.</div> I don't consider getting Shawn Marion that bad of a blow up. Memphis blew it up and evryone around the league is still scratching their heads on that one. Memphis has been rebuilding since they were born. Bad franchise with other issues (a sale) at play. </div> The reason I say they're blowing it up and rebuilding is because, when you oust a $20mil per year guy and bring back a couple young guys in the process, while also en route to the worst record in the NBA, you're pretty clearly rebuilding. And personally, I love the core they have now. I think a trio of Banks/Wade/Marion could be very good, especially if Wade fully recovers this offseason and Banks finally gets some PT the rest of this year to show off some of his potential. But by all means, I applaud Pat Riley for this move. He got rid of a guy who is clearly ineffective and on the quick downhill of his career for a guy in Shwan Marion is just entering his prime and a PG in Marcus Banks who has a mound of potential.
How do this agent's other clients feel about this? I know I'd be pretty pissed if my agent was disregarding a potentially big offer and limiting the bidding field just because of Jason Kidd's situation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Feb 11 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How do this agent's other clients feel about this? I know I'd be pretty pissed if my agent was disregarding a potentially big offer and limiting the bidding field just because of Jason Kidd's situation.</div> exactly. It's such a scumbag move.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Feb 11 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dallas has just lost to 76ers. We're getting closer to making Cuban to shell out I hope Thorn is not insane to accept anything less than Devin Harris ("J. Terry, Diop, and one first rounder" like one Mavs' fan suggested to me)</div> ...keep in mind that Devin Harris has been injured since the 28th of Jan, which was about 8 games...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Feb 11 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How do this agent's other clients feel about this? I know I'd be pretty pissed if my agent was disregarding a potentially big offer and limiting the bidding field just because of Jason Kidd's situation.</div> He's full of shit. His clients will go wherever they will get the most money. Agents in the NBA don't really do all that much, so this is how they justify getting paid. Who's Agent Zero's agent? No one. He has zero agents.
I agree 100% with Ghoti. It's just posturing on the agents part. After all is said and done the agent comes knocking on Rod's door with a client and a gift to smooth things over.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 11 2008, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Feb 11 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How do this agent's other clients feel about this? I know I'd be pretty pissed if my agent was disregarding a potentially big offer and limiting the bidding field just because of Jason Kidd's situation.</div> He's full of shit. His clients will go wherever they will get the most money. Agents in the NBA don't really do all that much, so this is how they justify getting paid. Who's Agent Zero's agent? No one. He has zero agents. </div> You are either naive or full of shit. Good agents do have that much power and they make package deals all the time. Yes, the true max players don't need an agent because their is an upper limit to how much they can make Thorn won't have any cap space during the rest of his tenure, so he doesn't have to worry about pissing off agents by leaking this to the media. Who is the last agent Thorn was successful against in a negotiation? It wasn't Carter's agent, it wasn't Moore's agent, it wasn't Magloire's agent ...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 12 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 11 2008, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Feb 11 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How do this agent's other clients feel about this? I know I'd be pretty pissed if my agent was disregarding a potentially big offer and limiting the bidding field just because of Jason Kidd's situation.</div> He's full of shit. His clients will go wherever they will get the most money. Agents in the NBA don't really do all that much, so this is how they justify getting paid. Who's Agent Zero's agent? No one. He has zero agents. </div> You are either naive or full of shit. Good agents do have that much power and they make package deals all the time. Yes, the true max players don't need an agent because their is an upper limit to how much they can make Thorn won't have any cap space during the rest of his tenure, so he doesn't have to worry about pissing off agents by leaking this to the media. Who is the last agent Thorn was successful against in a negotiation? It wasn't Carter's agent, it wasn't Moore's agent, it wasn't Magloire's agent ... </div> So you think the client will take less money to go in a package his agent created? i don't think so. Ghoti said "his client will go wherever they will get the most money," which is true. If that package gets them the most money they'll sign, but in this day and age of salary caps and limitations I don't see any team doing too many "package deals". Lucky if they can sign one free agent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 12 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 11 2008, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Feb 11 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How do this agent's other clients feel about this? I know I'd be pretty pissed if my agent was disregarding a potentially big offer and limiting the bidding field just because of Jason Kidd's situation.</div> He's full of shit. His clients will go wherever they will get the most money. Agents in the NBA don't really do all that much, so this is how they justify getting paid. Who's Agent Zero's agent? No one. He has zero agents. </div> You are either naive or full of shit. Good agents do have that much power and they make package deals all the time. Yes, the true max players don't need an agent because their is an upper limit to how much they can make Thorn won't have any cap space during the rest of his tenure, so he doesn't have to worry about pissing off agents by leaking this to the media. Who is the last agent Thorn was successful against in a negotiation? It wasn't Carter's agent, it wasn't Moore's agent, it wasn't Magloire's agent ... </div> So the best players don't need agents and Thorn isn't worried about pissing them off, but they are very powerful. OK. NBA agents are just desperate fools working the media and making their own clients look bad so they can pick up a few extra bucks for themselves.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 12 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you think the client will take less money to go in a package his agent created? i don't think so. Ghoti said "his client will go wherever they will get the most money," which is true. If that package gets them the most money they'll sign, but in this day and age of salary caps and limitations I don't see any team doing too many "package deals". Lucky if they can sign one free agent.</div> Jason Richardson is making less than Richard Jefferson and that had to do with the agent getting Troy Murphy a contract at the same time. You don't remember Zoran agreeing to a buyout so that Mile could be signed by the Nets? Have you not seen players take less money to sign with a better team? Players do not always take the most money.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 12 2008, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So the best players don't need agents and Thorn isn't worried about pissing them off, but they are very powerful. OK. NBA agents are just desperate fools working the media and making their own clients look bad so they can pick up a few extra bucks for themselves.</div> The vast majority of NBA players need an agent for their next NBA contract. You would have trouble filling an All Star roster with the number of players that don't need agents. On top of that, agents also get the players non-team money through endorsements and marketing opportunities. I'm sorry to hear that an NBA player agent treated you so poorly, as that is the only explanation for your ridiculous characterization of them.
