<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 12 2008, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 12 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you think the client will take less money to go in a package his agent created? i don't think so. Ghoti said "his client will go wherever they will get the most money," which is true. If that package gets them the most money they'll sign, but in this day and age of salary caps and limitations I don't see any team doing too many "package deals". Lucky if they can sign one free agent.</div> Jason Richardson is making less than Richard Jefferson and that had to do with the agent getting Troy Murphy a contract at the same time. You don't remember Zoran agreeing to a buyout so that Mile could be signed by the Nets? Have you not seen players take less money to sign with a better team? Players do not always take the most money. </div> I don't know about the Richardson/Murphy thing. If it's true it's an anomally and I would bet that Richardson wasn't aware he was taking less than he could have gotten. The Zoran buyout was in the best interest of Zoran so he could go sign the deal in Spain. That was about money for Zoran less than it was about Mile for the Nets. And those players that take less money to sign with better teams are generally players that got bought out of big contracts and have their money already. Signing with a winner is a luxury for them. Not saying agents don't do things and have value, but they don't have as much power as the dollars thrown at their clients.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 12 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 12 2008, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 12 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you think the client will take less money to go in a package his agent created? i don't think so. Ghoti said "his client will go wherever they will get the most money," which is true. If that package gets them the most money they'll sign, but in this day and age of salary caps and limitations I don't see any team doing too many "package deals". Lucky if they can sign one free agent.</div> Jason Richardson is making less than Richard Jefferson and that had to do with the agent getting Troy Murphy a contract at the same time. You don't remember Zoran agreeing to a buyout so that Mile could be signed by the Nets? Have you not seen players take less money to sign with a better team? Players do not always take the most money. </div> I don't know about the Richardson/Murphy thing. If it's true it's an anomally and I would bet that Richardson wasn't aware he was taking less than he could have gotten. The Zoran buyout was in the best interest of Zoran so he could go sign the deal in Spain. That was about money for Zoran less than it was about Mile for the Nets. And those players that take less money to sign with better teams are generally players that got bought out of big contracts and have their money already. Signing with a winner is a luxury for them. Not saying agents don't do things and have value, but they don't have as much power as the dollars thrown at their clients. </div> It wasn't about money for Zoran. It was a combination of playing time for Zoran and an NBA contract for Mile. Mile could have signed a long term deal in Europe, but the Nets wanted to bring him over and put him on the roster. The agent had Mile take a shorter contract (i.e. less financial security) as long as the Nets would take care of his other client. It was a total package deal. As for power, do some research on William Wesley and Leon Rose
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 12 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 12 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 12 2008, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 12 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you think the client will take less money to go in a package his agent created? i don't think so. Ghoti said "his client will go wherever they will get the most money," which is true. If that package gets them the most money they'll sign, but in this day and age of salary caps and limitations I don't see any team doing too many "package deals". Lucky if they can sign one free agent.</div> Jason Richardson is making less than Richard Jefferson and that had to do with the agent getting Troy Murphy a contract at the same time. You don't remember Zoran agreeing to a buyout so that Mile could be signed by the Nets? Have you not seen players take less money to sign with a better team? Players do not always take the most money. </div> I don't know about the Richardson/Murphy thing. If it's true it's an anomally and I would bet that Richardson wasn't aware he was taking less than he could have gotten. The Zoran buyout was in the best interest of Zoran so he could go sign the deal in Spain. That was about money for Zoran less than it was about Mile for the Nets. And those players that take less money to sign with better teams are generally players that got bought out of big contracts and have their money already. Signing with a winner is a luxury for them. Not saying agents don't do things and have value, but they don't have as much power as the dollars thrown at their clients. </div> It wasn't about money for Zoran. It was a combination of playing time for Zoran and an NBA contract for Mile. Mile could have signed a long term deal in Europe, but the Nets wanted to bring him over and put him on the roster. The agent had Mile take a shorter contract (i.e. less financial security) as long as the Nets would take care of his other client. It was a total package deal. As for power, do some research on William Wesley and Leon Rose </div> again, that would violate his fiduciary duty towards Ilic. Maybe Ilic didn't care, or maybe he just didn't know--but putting your own interests above that of your client is exactly the sort of thing that can get one censured or even disbarred.
Dumpy-land must be a wonderful place. I imagine that it looks a lot like the Dora the Explorer's world.
In the case of a young player who is not getting enough playing time, a good agent will try hard to get his client on a losing team, so that the player can get alot more playing time, and then increase his worth for the future. For example, J.R. Smith would be much better off on a losing team right now, and if his agent was smart, he would try to bring that about. But Smith's agent has the most players of all agents, so Smith is most likely not going to get this extra help. In the case of Kidd, there is nothing wrong imo with an agent doing everything possible within all the League and other rules to get him on a winning team, It is kind of a tradition in the NBA for the best players to go to winning teams only if they are traded late in their careers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 12 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dumpy-land must be a wonderful place. I imagine that it looks a lot like the Dora the Explorer's world.</div> hooray for you. If you were the athlete, and you got wind of something like that, you'd immediately file a complaint, request extensive discovery, depose all your agent's associates, and if you could prove your case he would be disbarred. You would then ask for monetary damages in the amount of what you would have earned in a three-year deal. It would be speculative, but you might prevail, who knows.
