<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What drivel. You've never seen him play but you hate him because he's a European (and WHITE too). Does it matter one iota that you criticize him? to anyone? You ignore the fact that four teams above #10 want him. Balls? It's not about macho. It's about money...a good lesson for you. Gallinari understands that being in the marketing and media capital of the world will result in him making more money. Balls? Pure immature silliness. Balls? It's about being SMART. You find me a 6'10" 19 year old in this draft that could make the move...other than POSSIBLY Beasley. There is NO ONE. Magic Johnson was no more athletic than Bird, but Magic Johnson was black and thus has to be considered more athletic. As Harvey Araton wrote in his book, fans adore athletes and downgrade basketball players. Don't try to fool anyone: so much of this is about race. If he's white and a European, he must be soft, can't be an athlete.</div> Could not have said it better myself. Thanks NI! Tired of this "European=soft=bust" prejudice.
If an American player had done the same thing...ANY of them...this board would be declaring him a hero. If Russell Westbrook had done it, or Joe Alexander had done it, everyone would be thrilled. But because he's EUROPEAN, he is suspect. His motives are suspect, his game is suspect, his toughness is suspect. He is trying to manipulate the draft so he can play for the NETS...one of the top players in the draft and the top young player in Europe wants to play for the NETS. Oh, but wait, he's not one of US. I don't give a damn if the Nets take him or not. I like him, but if it came down to him and Brook Lopez, I would take Lopez. but goddamnit, show some respect to someone who wants to play for your team. (Not to mention that so many of the kids above him are no where near his level of accomplishment...some of them have played one year in a shitty conference and are being rated on potential...) Tiresome.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 17 2008, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>umm in this article it says: http://nbadraft.net/2008stateofthecapnewjersey001.asp "As I said before, New Jersey obtained some expiring contracts for Kidd which will save them about $6.4 million this summer. If you include the expiring deals of Jamaal Magloire and Bostjan Nachbar, it adds up to nearly $13 million in savings. The Nets will need that cap space if they expect to add some free-agent talent this summer." thats were i got it... 2008/09 Estimated NBA Salary Cap: $58 million (estimate) Roughly: $6.3 million under cap hmm maybe i read it wrong hahah nevermind... its 13 mill in savings hehe well 6.3mill is still solid... add a traded RJ thats almost 18 million in cap space BRAND!!!! its doable!</div> i see, that makes sense. I was looking at that too, but for that we'd have to move RJ for pretty much nothing, to a team far enough under the cap. Charlotte is the only one who might be willing to do that. If we could get RJ for #9, that'd be pretty awesome. But a more realistic thing I think would be RJ for Childress, Atlanta is about as far under the cap as us, so with Chillz contract, its about right. Saves us about 6M. Then move Ager and Marcus for future picks or something. we get to like 15M cap space. So unless Brand takes a first year paycut, we'd have to do something else, involving other guys. I doubt unless we involve a pick we could move Hassell to save money. If all goes according to plan, we move RJ for Chillz, Ager for a future 2nd, Marcus for a future first, 21+Hassell for nothing. Sign Brand, take Danilo at 10, use the MLE on a few different guys. We'd have to probably dump Boki, Nenad, and Diop for nothing. Harris/Armstrong Carter/MLE Childress/Gallinari Brand/Swift Boone/Williams awesome. and if that sounded different from nonsensical rambling to anyone else, even better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What drivel. You've never seen him play but you hate him because he's a European (and WHITE too). Does it matter one iota that you criticize him? to anyone? You ignore the fact that four teams above #10 want him. Balls? It's not about macho. It's about money...a good lesson for you. Gallinari understands that being in the marketing and media capital of the world will result in him making more money. Balls? Pure immature silliness. Balls? It's about being SMART. You find me a 6'10" 19 year old in this draft that could make the move...other than POSSIBLY Beasley. There is NO ONE. Magic Johnson was no more athletic than Bird, but Magic Johnson was black and thus has to be considered more athletic. As Harvey Araton wrote in his book, fans adore athletes and downgrade basketball players. Don't try to fool anyone: so much of this is about race. If he's white and a European, he must be soft, can't be an athlete.</div> There's really nothing to suggest that I formed my opinion because of race... nor that I haven't seen him play. Of course I haven't seen him play live -- but what I have seen does not suggest that he will be able to create his own shot against good defenders, which clearly limits his upside and prevents him from being a primary scorer. I don't care if big men can't make that move, because it's irrelevant. He will be a SF in the NBA and he will not be able to pull that off in this league. Against Italians, sure. Big deal. Magic was certainly more athletic than Bird. Let's not get silly here. Sorry to disappoint you.. it's not about race. I'm glad you think you know me so well. It's cute.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If an American player had done the same thing...ANY of them...this board would be declaring him a hero. If Russell Westbrook had done it, or Joe Alexander had done it, everyone would be thrilled. But because he's EUROPEAN, he is suspect. His motives are suspect, his game is suspect, his toughness is suspect. He is trying to manipulate the draft so he can play for the NETS...one of the top players in the draft and the top young player in Europe wants to play for the NETS. Oh, but wait, he's not one of US. I don't give a damn if the Nets take him or not. I like him, but if it came down to him and Brook Lopez, I would take Lopez. but goddamnit, show some respect to someone who wants to play for your team. (Not to mention that so many of the kids above him are no where near his level of accomplishment...some of them have played one year in a shitty conference and are being rated on potential...) Tiresome.</div> Again, we're a pathetic franchise but I'm not going to bend over backwards just because some likes us. Even ugly girls should have standards. If Westbrook or Alexander would have done it, it wouldn't look the same, because they have plus athleticism -- which he doesn't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jun 17 2008, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What drivel. You've never seen him play but you hate him because he's a European (and WHITE too). Does it matter one iota that you criticize him? to anyone? You ignore the fact that four teams above #10 want him. Balls? It's not about macho. It's about money...a good lesson for you. Gallinari understands that being in the marketing and media capital of the world will result in him making more money. Balls? Pure immature silliness. Balls? It's about being SMART. You find me a 6'10" 19 year old in this draft that could make the move...other than POSSIBLY Beasley. There is NO ONE. Magic Johnson was no more athletic than Bird, but Magic Johnson was black and thus has to be considered more athletic. As Harvey Araton wrote in his book, fans adore athletes and downgrade basketball players. Don't try to fool anyone: so much of this is about race. If he's white and a European, he must be soft, can't be an athlete.</div> Could not have said it better myself. Thanks NI! Tired of this "European=soft=bust" prejudice. </div>Yeah, I just imagined the high dribble, the lack of lateral quickness, and the low vertical.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 17 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>umm in this article it says: http://nbadraft.net/2008stateofthecapnewjersey001.asp "As I said before, New Jersey obtained some expiring contracts for Kidd which will save them about $6.4 million this summer. If you include the expiring deals of Jamaal Magloire and Bostjan Nachbar, it adds up to nearly $13 million in savings. The Nets will need that cap space if they expect to add some free-agent talent this summer." thats were i got it... 2008/09 Estimated NBA Salary Cap: $58 million (estimate) Roughly: $6.3 million under cap hmm maybe i read it wrong hahah nevermind... its 13 mill in savings hehe well 6.3mill is still solid... add a traded RJ thats almost 18 million in cap space BRAND!!!! its doable!</div> It is crap. The numbers are based off of hoopshype which never includes cap holds and draft picks. The author has made the same mistakes before and has received emails about it, but doesn't correct them or update his limited understanding of the salary cap rules.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>3. Go back to that video and watch the move he makes at about 1:00 in. It's frightening. The ball seems to find the basket when it's in his hands. The problem, I guess, is that he's not (that) athletic. Nor was Larry Bird or Magic Johnson for that matter. They were basketball players, not great athletes.</div> He would never get away with that move in the NBA. Pathetic horrible defense. Do they have any idea what defense is in Italy? And I don't care where he's from or whether he's white, green, yellow or purple. He could be good, I don't know enough, but that clip tells us nothing because it's very weak competition.
so whats our exact financial situation? cap wise and money available... id like to know cuz knowing is half the battle G I JOE well S & T brand and clips 2nd rounder for jefferson, marcus, S & T krstic and our 21st pick
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 17 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so whats our exact financial situation? cap wise and money available... id like to know cuz knowing is half the battle G I JOE well S & T brand and clips 2nd rounder for jefferson, marcus, S & T krstic and our 21st pick </div> Better off financially than last season. Not under the salary cap, but have extra breathing room below luxury tax now. Could actually carry Brand, Jefferson and Carter because Harris makes a little more than Collins use to and Brand wouldn't start out making as much as Kidd was making. But that would require Brand forcing the Clips hand in a S&T for expirings (Swift, KVH) and young guys and picks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jun 17 2008, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If an American player had done the same thing...ANY of them...this board would be declaring him a hero. If Russell Westbrook had done it, or Joe Alexander had done it, everyone would be thrilled. But because he's EUROPEAN, he is suspect. His motives are suspect, his game is suspect, his toughness is suspect. He is trying to manipulate the draft so he can play for the NETS...one of the top players in the draft and the top young player in Europe wants to play for the NETS. Oh, but wait, he's not one of US. I don't give a damn if the Nets take him or not. I like him, but if it came down to him and Brook Lopez, I would take Lopez. but goddamnit, show some respect to someone who wants to play for your team. (Not to mention that so many of the kids above him are no where near his level of accomplishment...some of them have played one year in a shitty conference and are being rated on potential...) Tiresome.</div> Again, we're a pathetic franchise but I'm not going to bend over backwards just because some likes us. Even ugly girls should have standards. If Westbrook or Alexander would have done it, it wouldn't look the same, because they have plus athleticism -- which he doesn't. </div> This is pathetic...not the franchise. Bend over backwards? What the hell does that mean? We're not going to accept a player who is and has been viewed as a top draft choice for the entire year? The Nets didn't work him out against anyone else. So what? Vandeweghe flew to Europe TWICE to see him play. Their international scout, Rob Meurs, has scouted him for years. THEY LIKE HIM. Yet you make this incredibly arrogant and simply silly point that "WE" are not going to bend. We? Bend? There is a personal agenda here and you damn well know it. Screw athleticism. More guys have been busts because of their great "upside potential" than any other reason. Alexander can't shoot. Less than 30% from the college three point line? He isn't a great ball-handler either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jun 17 2008, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If an American player had done the same thing...ANY of them...this board would be declaring him a hero. If Russell Westbrook had done it, or Joe Alexander had done it, everyone would be thrilled. But because he's EUROPEAN, he is suspect. His motives are suspect, his game is suspect, his toughness is suspect. He is trying to manipulate the draft so he can play for the NETS...one of the top players in the draft and the top young player in Europe wants to play for the NETS. Oh, but wait, he's not one of US. I don't give a damn if the Nets take him or not. I like him, but if it came down to him and Brook Lopez, I would take Lopez. but goddamnit, show some respect to someone who wants to play for your team. (Not to mention that so many of the kids above him are no where near his level of accomplishment...some of them have played one year in a shitty conference and are being rated on potential...) Tiresome.</div> Again, we're a pathetic franchise but I'm not going to bend over backwards just because some likes us. Even ugly girls should have standards. If Westbrook or Alexander would have done it, it wouldn't look the same, because they have plus athleticism -- which he doesn't. </div> This is pathetic...not the franchise. Bend over backwards? What the hell does that mean? We're not going to accept a player who is and has been viewed as a top draft choice for the entire year? The Nets didn't work him out against anyone else. So what? Vandeweghe flew to Europe TWICE to see him play. Their international scout, Rob Meurs, has scouted him for years. THEY LIKE HIM. Yet you make this incredibly arrogant and simply silly point that "WE" are not going to bend. We? Bend? There is a personal agenda here and you damn well know it. Screw athleticism. More guys have been busts because of their great "upside potential" than any other reason. Alexander can't shoot. Less than 30% from the college three point line? He isn't a great ball-handler either. </div> Bend over backwards = not criticize him because he LIKES us. OMG, he likes us??!?! Let's overlook flaws because he wants to play with a second-rate franchise! Kiki saw him play against inferior defenders. How well will he be able to score against good NBA defenders? There's a world of difference. I think he can play in this league, but he won't be a primary scorer.. there's better options at 10. Yes, I'm incredibly arrogant, but you aren't. That's just high comedy right there. Where did I say I liked Alexander? LOL man, you are really reaching now. I absolutely love that well-founded criticism based on what he's shown me is "pathetic" and is obviously due to me being racist. I love it. Keep it coming, please.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 17 2008, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ahhh so its possible! hey isnt brand from NY? so playin in NJ wouldnt be that far from home </div> Yeah, he's from Peekskill, not too far from NJ at all.
The more I watch Boston dismantle the Lakers the more I want the Nets to draft a solid defender (or 2). I hope Westbrook drops and the Nets take him. I agree with Dumpy's comment about Gallinari being a lot like Boki. Let's get an identity and stop all this best player available shit. Everyone is in agreement that the players available from #8 or 9 down to about 20 aren't drastically far apart talentwise. So let's get some guys that will A) fit together B) fill team needs and C) make the whole better than the parts. This patchwork bullshit of selecting mismatching parts because they are the "best player available" or "best free agent we can get without paying the luxury tax" is getting tiresome. You could get away with when you had Kidd here (and he cared) because he was that good a player, but even then we weren't winning anything. The Nets Finals teams, the Spurs, Pistons, Boston all have two things in common: 1) played great defense and 2) they had players that complimented one anothers' skills.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 17 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The more I watch Boston dismantle the Lakers the more I want the Nets to draft a solid defender (or 2). I hope Westbrook drops and the Nets take him. I agree with Dumpy's comment about Gallinari being a lot like Boki. Let's get an identity and stop all this best player available shit. Everyone is in agreement that the players available from #8 or 9 down to about 20 aren't drastically far apart talentwise. So let's get some guys that will A) fit together B) fill team needs and C) make the whole better than the parts. This patchwork bullshit of selecting mismatching parts because they are the "best player available" or "best free agent we can get without paying the luxury tax" is getting tiresome. You could get away with when you had Kidd here (and he cared) because he was that good a player, but even then we weren't winning anything. The Nets Finals teams, the Spurs, Pistons, Boston all have two things in common: 1) played great defense and 2) they had players that complimented one anothers' skills.</div>Heh, I agree. No matter how much I actually like Gallinari, it may take him a few years to become a decent defender -- if ever. Almost every great franchise or a championship team had a good, versatile defender at the 3 spot. NJ should do all they can to get Elton Brand, then draft a solid defensive wing.
westbrook would be a dream come tru... but danilo wouldnt be that bad... at 6-9 he would be an oversized SF really... and if he should get open shots with being teammates with harris and vc, question is... what are our chances of actually gettin brand... BRAND should be our #1 priority this off season :/ we need a low post threat, and brand can give us that and MORE ( leadership and good personality in the locker room)
What's with people popping boners over athleticism? The most athletic player in the draft 2006, James White....remember him? The guy who can jump from the free throw line, and do windmills and through the legs. Remember what happened to him? Got drafted at 31, got a couple chances with teams...but is now out of the league. So what the hell is so great about that athleticism?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 18 2008, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What's with people popping boners over athleticism? The most athletic player in the draft 2006, James White....remember him? The guy who can jump from the free throw line, and do windmills and through the legs. Remember what happened to him? Got drafted at 31, got a couple chances with teams...but is now out of the league. So what the hell is so great about that athleticism?</div> Kobe Bryant is also athletic -- the truth lies somewhere in between.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jun 18 2008, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 18 2008, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What's with people popping boners over athleticism? The most athletic player in the draft 2006, James White....remember him? The guy who can jump from the free throw line, and do windmills and through the legs. Remember what happened to him? Got drafted at 31, got a couple chances with teams...but is now out of the league. So what the hell is so great about that athleticism?</div> Kobe Bryant is also athletic -- the truth lies somewhere in between. </div> Athleticism doesn't make you a star player. It's a good trait to have in basketball, that's all. Non-athleticism doesn't make you a bust. It's a disadvantage but not a major one by any means, if you have the skills to make up for it.
