<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I disagree. I think at least three of those guys can easily become consistent starters. Channing Frye is probably going to be on the All-Rookie First Team and Nate Robinson has a good chance of making it to the Second Team. If given consistent minutes, it won't be a stretch to imagine David Lee averaging close to a double-double. Jackie Butler has shown signs of becoming a pretty good big man in this league and Qyntel Woods has been producing nicely this season. </div> No offense but you also predicted Micheal Sweetney would be an All-star and Ariza a "superstar". And thats using your own words, not taken out of context or changed in any way. Sweetney was to average 20 and 10 and Ariza was a decent jumpshot away (which you said he could easily develop over last summer) from being a top player in the league when he gets older. Nate is talented but i dont see him being anything more than a 6th or 7th man. Frye is nice, but really how much more do you see him developing? Personally i can see him being a 2nd team rookie with Bogut and CV31 taking the forward spots on the 1st team...but i suppose its possible, maybe if they put charlie as a small forward or dont select Bogut. That said i think any trade involving Oneal coming to the knicks and at the same time Marbury leaving them, regardless of who else is delt, is a great trade for the Knicks. But i also dont see it happening.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">No offense but you also predicted Micheal Sweetney would be an All-star and Ariza a "superstar". And thats using your own words, not taken out of context or changed in any way. Sweetney was to average 20 and 10 and Ariza was a decent jumpshot away (which you said he could easily develop over last summer) from being a top player in the league when he gets older.</div> Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, you also said the same about Matt Bonner. You can't bring up things that happened over a year ago because obviously things change. I still think Sweetney can put up numbers close to that if he got more of an opportunity. Maybe not 20 points, but definitely 10+ rebounds. Ariza hasn't developed as I expected, but if he added a jumper he can be pretty good, ask some Magic fans. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Nate is talented but i dont see him being anything more than a 6th or 7th man. Frye is nice, but really how much more do you see him developing? Personally i can see him being a 2nd team rookie with Bogut and CV31 taking the forward spots on the 1st team...but i suppose its possible, maybe if they put charlie as a small forward or dont select Bogut.</div> You also said Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, and David Lee wouldn't be good when the Knicks drafted them. And if I'm not mistaken you said, as rookies, Frye, Nate, and Lee combined wouldn't even have close to the impact as Andrew Bogut. I can make an argument for Frye ALONE outplaying Bogut this season. Anyway, Frye can develop into a very serviceable player, Nate Robinson has improved a lot since the beginning of the season and David Lee can average a double-double. What would your All-Rookie Team be if Frye isn't in it? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That said i think any trade involving Oneal coming to the knicks and at the same time Marbury leaving them, regardless of who else is delt, is a great trade for the Knicks. But i also dont see it happening.</div> I know Jermaine O'Neal is and will always be better than the rookies, however, he has shown signs of breaking down and at age 28, he's not getting any younger. Please forgive me for not wanting to package all of my promising young players, draft picks, and expiring contracts for Jermaine O'Neal, who missed 31 games this season and averages 13 points and shoots 41.8% in the playoffs. I just think we're giving the Pacers too much leverage.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, you also said the same about Matt Bonner. You can't bring up things that happened over a year ago because obviously things change. I still think Sweetney can put up numbers close to that if he got more of an opportunity. Maybe not 20 points, but definitely 10+ rebounds. Ariza hasn't developed as I expected, but if he added a jumper he can be pretty good, ask some Magic fans.</div> Agreed with a jumper he could turn out to be a servicable rotation player over his career. And yes there's no reason to harp over things said in the past, i only mention it becuase in that situation you saw more then there was because you really really really wanted those players to succeed. Perhaps the same is happening now with your opinions on the value of Nate, Butler and Lee, Frye less so. Moot point anyway....i'm just saying that unless a young player is showing something above and beyond what is normal for a young player then its best to just assume they're going to develop on a linear line into role players and reserves. O'neal would be well worth those mentioned players since he's a for sure star and those others would need to improve dramatically to be anything more than complimentary players. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post"> You also said Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, and David Lee wouldn't be good when the Knicks drafted them. And if I'm not mistaken you said, as rookies, Frye, Nate, and Lee combined wouldn't even have close to the impact as Andrew Bogut. I can make an argument for Frye ALONE outplaying Bogut this season. Anyway, Frye can develop into a very serviceable player, Nate Robinson has improved a lot since the beginning of the season and David Lee can average a double-double. What would your All-Rookie Team be if Frye isn't in it?</div> I actually was one of the first people to recommed the Knicks drafting Frye, but you're right i did say that he was a far cry from Bogut. Bogut didnt produce like i expected him to but in my opinion he's still currently a better player then Frye is and is more likely to develop into something special. Frye is solid, i'm certainly not trashing him at all...but he is rather limited in what he can do. No ability to create his own shot and weak post moves make him a mid range player only. Hopefully he can build on that though. My all rookie first team? well if they wanted one player for each position i'd have CV31 on the first team instead of Frye. If they just wanted 3 forwards (SF, PF or C) then i'd say CV31 would be the 3 with Frye the 4 and Bogut the 5.
it's funny yet not surprising that when a high priced player might be traded, it will always link with NYK and whether the trade actually happens or not, NYK's record seem the same, at least for the past 3 years...isiah is just following the new tradition
