<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not wrong. I just told you that ESPN showed the stats. So ESPN is lying? I don't think a national TV station like ESPN gets wrong infos and stats and show on TV.</div> Maybe if you were paying attention, they were showing stats since 1996...and the former Laker had the advantage for being in the league since 1992. Kobe was benched for two years, limited minutes in his third...so what's the point? I'm talking about last season, when they went to the Finals. Anyways, on with the topic at hand.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Supersonic:</div><div class="quote_post">What about two seasons ago when Shaq missed the first 12 games of the season? Kobe put up some insane stats, and the Lakers went 3-9.</div> That's insane. Well, now they are 5-4...already better than their start two years ago. And it's all Kobe's fault!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">And finally...the thread will have to be closed if the former Laker is mentioned in the thread anymore, from beyond this point. I'll just report it. The thread topic is about Kobe. Stay on topic.</div> You know as well as I do that Kobe is brought up in every thread about on this site (remember the one about Carmelo's tshirt?). Yet we don't run and report all of those threads to mods, so stop whining just because Shaq is being brought up. I need to find a new term for "double standard", I'm get tired of typing it. Let me just say this. Let's assume for a minute that both the Lakers and Heat are title contenders . In order for the Lakers to reach the NBA finals, they would have to beat at least two elite western teams right (in the WCF and WC semis)? In order for the Heat to get to the finals, they would just have to beat eastern teams. So what does it matter if the Heat can't beat elite western teams (yet). In the playoffs they wont have to.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">You know as well as I do that Kobe is brought up in every thread about on this site (remember the one about Carmelo's tshirt?). Yet we don't run and report all of those threads to mods, so stop whining just because <strike>Shaq</strike> is being brought up. I need to find a new term for "double standard", I'm get tired of typing it. Let me just say this. Let's assume for a minute that both the Lakers and <strike>Heat</strike> are title contenders . In order for the Lakers to reach the NBA finals, they would have to beat at least two elite western teams right (in the WCF and WC semis)? In order for the <strike>Heat</strike> to get to the finals, they would just have to beat eastern teams. So what does it matter if the <strike>Heat</strike> can't beat elite western teams (yet). In the playoffs they wont have to.</div> Cool.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Cool.</div> Yeah, kinda like the Icy-Hot patch. (Get it? )
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">"That one guy" and Kobe were both on the same team, both in the West. Right now, if the Heat don't have a better record than the Lakers, then the Heat would be garbage. Don't give me that BS about stats lying...because that's all I hear when "that one guy's" stats are terrible (like they are right now), or when Kobe had 28-6-5 in a championship season, etc. The facts are...the gorilla and the Lakers didn't do any better than Kobe and the Lakers last year...and they had the same coach, same conference, everything similar. The Heat have a better record at the moment...what do you expect? A better record with 9 games into the season doesn't mean much. "That one guy's" not even the focus of the team...Wade is. And finally...the thread will have to be closed if the former Laker is mentioned in the thread anymore, from beyond this point. I'll just report it. The thread topic is about Kobe. Stay on topic.</div> I understand that you hate Shaq, but racist name calling isn't necessary and as a black male, I take great offense to your comment.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">You're wrong. I don't know the exact numbers but on ESPN, they were showing who(either Shaq or Kobe) had won more without each other. Shaq certainly had better percentage...Look again cuz I'm sure ESPN has better (and correct) information than you.</div>From an individual stats standpoint, both players see increases in scoring when apart, with Kobe's efficiency staying steady while Shaq's points per 100 possession gets better. To most Kobe fans, Kobe may be the winner in that he can light up the scoreboard, but Shaquille shows the best overall ability to shine away from his OTHER HALF thus far. On the other side of the ball, Remember when Shaq wasn't there? Kobe sure stepped it up. The Laker guard already has 40-plus scoring streak for nine games. Kobe fell five games shy of the all-time record, held by wilt chamberlin, who scored 40-plus in 14-straight games twice during the 1961-62 season. Kobe tied the mark held by Jordan, who scored 40-plus in nine straight in the 1986-87 season. Yeah, his name can be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan. How many guards will you see without a "SHAQ" score that many points and win 7 out of those nine games. Thats right. The only games the Lakers lost were to the SPURs which happen to have Duncan in the middle. The Lakers had SLAVA. Then they lost two nights later to a Knick team when Houston lit up the Lakers for 53 points. Thats not very often either. All these games were won without shaq. Remember, we cant FAIRLY judge Kobe away from Shaq yet until a couple more seasons. Kobe has never played without Shaq for an extended period of time. But in most cases, Kobe is on Fire when Shaq is out. He steps up his game to a different level. Kobe role has changed this year. For the first time in his life, he is the soul superstar on the Laker team. He has to step up his game again, learn to get his teammates involved, and set the bar. He showed he is capable of that with his unselfish play the last game. Just 16 attempts, 26 points, 11 assists, 5 steals, and ONE MONSTER ALLY OOOPPPP!
For Laker and non-Laker fans here, with Kobe's image ruined after a court case that was useless against him...will this be brought up 8 years down the road? And, will Kobe ever get his endorsements back (not saying that Sprite or McDonalds will take him back, but anyone else)? There are alot of stars that are getting nice opportunities, and then there are some that are wasting their time...whether it's a cheap product endorsement, or even dropping basketball for rap. With Kobe's jerseys being a top-seller, will it last if the Lakers make a quick exit out of the playoffs?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllBoutDaPacers:</div><div class="quote_post">I understand that you hate Shaq, but racist name calling isn't necessary and as a black male, I take great offense to your comment.</div> Are gorillas big and slow? <u>Some</u> are crosseyed. Sorry, buddy...good try. = gorilla = gorilla
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Are gorillas big and slow? Some are crosseyed. Sorry, buddy.</div> Early in his career the term gorilla was used to describe him, and the intent was racist (I read his book). It truly is sad that you find this a laughing matter. What respect there was is gone.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Early in his career the term gorilla was used to describe him, and the intent was racist (I read his book). It truly is sad that you find this a laughing matter. What respect there was is gone.</div> There's no reason to question what I meant, and there's no reason for me to have to explain what I meant. I don't read his book...and I don't care to read his book. Maybe he took it wrong, also...don't put that on my shoulders. Come up with something better to slap in my face and try and get me banned...because I can see the intentions. In this case...I'll call him "Slaq: the polar bear." Better?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">There's no reason to question what I meant, and there's no reason for me to have to explain what I meant.</div> Then why did you go back and edit your post adding a picture of a white guy to make your intent more clear? I don't know or care what you meant by the term, as this is a message board and I don't know you. I did find it offensive. I just think that when it was pointed out your reaction was innappropriate, because it's not a joke or game. Time to move on. What are you're guys' feeling about Kobe Bryant?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Then why did you go back and edit your post adding a picture of a white guy to make your intent more clear?</div> Because I don't go around trying to start a war with other members. I don't follow members around, I don't tell them to go to another thread, and I don't try to intentionally get others either off the site, or out of a thread, forum, whatever. If you find something offensive, say it somewhere else. Keep on topic. Dre told everyone about the Shaq vs. Kobe BS...there's a thread about it somewhere...don't bring that "bum" into this if his name isn't on the title. Simple as that. What a ridiculous thread this has turned out to be. You lost respect for me? Big deal. I noticed that guys like Knicks Analyst and MR_SAC_KING (to name a couple) have a great deal of respect for me as a Laker fan, and when I question them about how good or bad they are doing, they respect me back and will talk in an appropriate and mature manner about it all. I don't even have anything else to say about it. I was told to expect this, by alot of members already...so say what you want, I don't care anymore.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post"> I don't know or care what you meant by the term, as this is a message board and I don't know you. I did find it offensive. I just think that when it was pointed out your reaction was innappropriate, because it's not a joke or game. Time to move on. </div> Why think he meant it in a racist way when he has Kobe listed as his favorite player? It wouldn't make much sense for him to make fun of Shaq's race when his favorite player is also black.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Why think he meant it in a racist way when he has Kobe listed as his favorite player? It wouldn't make much sense for him to make fun of Shaq's race when his favorite player is also black.</div> Ok, first of all this doesn't concern you. He made a sincere attempt to make it clear that he wasn't trying to be racist. I sent him a friendly PM, and I don't think that this needs to be discussed further. I didn't like his initial response, and too many times people see this as a game. I could care less who his favorite player is. I'm sure there are black kids who listen to Eminem but still hate white people. People in all aspects of life often need to learn about the implications of their comments, and be sensitive when they are made aware of them. Regardless, it has been handled. I'll end with this. There is a serious problem when we can't remember what we were arguing in the first place. Frankly, the fan who started this thread knew what they were doing. Until this gets on course, or someone says something that I feel obligated to reply to, I'm out.
Ok ok ok - let's quit with the back and forth arguing, save it for the PM system or better yet, off the boards completely. Every post from now on that doesn't relate to Kobe will be deleted.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok, first of all this doesn't concern you.</div> You're on a public forum. If you didm't want anyone else's input, you should have just sent him a PM to begin with. I'll respond to any post I wish, and if you want to ignore it you're free to. BTW, your Eminem analogy doesn't quite work. I don't think there are too many black kids who hate white people and yet would say Eminem is their favorite rapper.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Because I don't go around trying to start a war with other members. </div> umm....yes u do....every time someone says something like "Shaq is the greatest center ever to play".... Sometimes I even feel a little strange when I dont see immediate reply from "realdealbneal" saying something like "No, shaq isn't...because he blah blahblahblah"
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">umm....yes u do....every time someone says something like "<strike>Shaq</strike> is the greatest center ever to play".... Sometimes I even feel a little strange when I dont see immediate reply from "realdealbneal" saying something like "No, <strike>shaq</strike> isn't...because he blah blahblahblah"</div> Oh. Okay. Anyways, for Laker and non-Laker fans here, with Kobe's image ruined after a court case that was useless against him...will this be brought up 8 years down the road? And, will Kobe ever get his endorsements back (not saying that Sprite or McDonalds will take him back, but anyone else)? There are alot of stars that are getting nice opportunities, and then there are some that are wasting their time...whether it's a cheap product endorsement, or even dropping basketball for rap. With Kobe's jerseys being a top-seller, will it last if the Lakers make a quick exit out of the playoffs?
