<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ezra:</div><div class="quote_post">Three championships and four finals appearances, but that was Shaq. Shaq was MVP all of those years, as well as finals MVP. This year was Kobe's. Kobe took over in the finals this year, and it got them eliminated in five games. <strike>****</strike> Kobe. I don't want him on my team. He's a primaddona, and a headcase. Again, <strike>****</strike> Kobe Bryant. Next year we'll see. Depending on what happens to the Lakers, I'm looking forward to Kobe doing a lot of losing. It'll be like the Magic last year, because Kobe will realize what guys like Paul Pierce and Tracy McGrady have to go through, and why he shouldn't have <strike>******</strike> it all up.</div> completely right, man should not build a team round kobe, hes still too selfish and will be even more if he s not round phil jackson. No way, id want him in memphis neither, cause memphis belongs to jason williams & Co. noone else then that. Besides hes too much of a superstar compared to SHaq (a little more ) so he plays more like one, which wont do a team any good. I dont wanne say hes no good player tho, has great capabilities just doesnt use them to make the team to the nba champs. Oh but actually, this years lakers wasnt just kobe's it was the understanding between shaq and kobe and phil which destroyed our game.
Exactly. If Phil fucking Jackson can't get you to share the ball with Shaquille fucking O'Neal, then why would he share it with Pau Gasol or James Posey? He wouldn't, which is why I don't want him on my team. He'd take 50 shots a game, and then bitch constantly; alienate fans and teammates; get injured, then not tell the team about it; cheat on his wife, then lie; suddenly decide to not shoot the ball at all, costing the team; berate his teammates; etc.; etc. Kobe in Memphis = Boo-urns from Ezra.
Should watch your mouth Ezra, too much hatin' in you soul. I actually wouldn't mind Kobe being on the Grizzlies, sure it'd ruin the sense of having to give him more minutes the other but he can convert with them. Also as Wave has said, he's one of the best players in the game today. With that said, regardless of his shortcomings, who wouldn't want him? He'll prove really useful, plus he's real clutch, that's always such a major plus. A superstar amongst superstars is probably something that could you bring you up a level quite a notch. Also he'll probably play a lot better for you and act better than he did as a Laker, the reason....? One name, one man, Jerry West.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rave:</div><div class="quote_post">Should watch your mouth Ezra, too much hatin' in you soul. I actually wouldn't mind Kobe being on the Grizzlies, sure it'd ruin the sense of having to give him more minutes the other but he can convert with them. Also as Wave has said, he's one of the best players in the game today. With that said, regardless of his shortcomings, who wouldn't want him? He'll prove really useful, plus he's real clutch, that's always such a major plus. A superstar amongst superstars is probably something that could you bring you up a level quite a notch. Also he'll probably play a lot better for you and act better than he did as a Laker, the reason....? One name, one man, Jerry West.</div> Exactly. If you guys want Memphis to always exit the playoffs in the first round, then it would make sense not to go for Kobe. However, I want to see Memphis become one of the elite teams, and you can't simply become an elite team with a bunch of hard working average players in a ten man rotation. You need a superstar. I don't care if that superstar happens to be Allen Iverson with all his baggage either. These guys don't get the reputations as the best players in the league by accident. Guys like Kobe and Iverson may have a lot of baggage, but when it's all said and done they are two of the best players in the league. If Kobe wants to come to Memphis, then Jerry West should stop at nothing to satisfy him. However, I don't think he's even expressed that interest yet.
Thing is that Iverson's baggage doesn't carry over onto the [basketball] court. Kobe's does. And if he won't play the right way for Phil Jackson, then what makes you think that he'd be happy in Hubie's system? Kobe is a primaddona headcase, even if he is an exceptional talent, and not something the Grizzlies need. What good is individual talent when it's at the expense of those around you? He's a blackhole, for <strike>Christ's</strike> sake.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ezra:</div><div class="quote_post">Thing is that Iverson's baggage doesn't carry over onto the [basketball] court. Kobe's does.</div> I don't see what you mean by this. Allen Iverson's baggage includes many on-the-court problems; including no work ethic, not practicing, calling out all of his teammates, and getting in disputes with his coach. All of those things carry onto the court. Kobe's trial has not been as big of a hinderance as it was thought it would be, and he dropped his fued with Shaq 99% of the time when he got on the court. Even if his fued with Shaq was carried onto the court, he still found a way to win. Also, with the Shaq and Kobe fued the Lakers couldn't talk or trade Shaq; he had too big of an ego was too was too talented, and was important to the team. Not really any player on the Grizzlies has an ego that would collide with Kobe Bryant's. The only big ego is Jason Williams', and I'd think that Williams would love playing alongside Bryant in the backcourt. Let's say that worst comes to worst and a player like Bonzi Wells has a fight with Kobe Bryant. The Grizzlies could easily deal Bonzi Wells. Although it's unlikely this would happen, in the event that it did you'd have to realize that losing Bonzi Wells is well-worth getting a Kobe Bryant. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And if he won't play the right way for Phil Jackson, then what makes you think that he'd be happy in Hubie's system?</div> Hubie doesn't necessarily have to use a ten-man rotation with Kobe in the roster. The biggest star he's ever coached was Dan Issel. He's never had a player the caliber of Kobe Bryant. I'm sure he'd be an exception to the rule. I remember Hubie raving about how much he loved Bryant when he was working for TNT. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is a primaddona headcase, even if he is an exceptional talent, and not something the Grizzlies need. What good is individual talent when it's at the expense of those around you? He's a blackhole, for <strike>Christ's</strike> sake.</div> Michael Jordan was hated by a lot of his teammates. He would yell at them in the locker room if he passed them the ball and they didn't make the shot. Everyone would give their all because they didn't want to be the one who would upset the world's best basketball player. Kobe was the same way in Los Angeles. I wouldn't call all his complaining about Shaq not being in shape being a primmadona headcase. He was just looking out for the best interests of his team. He was busting his ass night in and night out, and he felt Shaq should have been doing the same. Also, if Kobe comes to Memphis then let him be a primmadona headcase. What do you expect from him? Should he take crap from everyone and succumb to Hubie's ten man rotation? Do you think Kobe honestly deserves less than thirty minutes and thirty shots a game?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ezra:</div><div class="quote_post">Thing is that Iverson's baggage doesn't carry over onto the [basketball] court. Kobe's does. </div> As Wave said, you really don't know what you're talking about there. Kobe would look like an angel next to Iverson. The only trouble he's ever caused ON the court was his shot selections, and sometimes just shooting too much. Besides that, everything has been off the court. Kobe-Shaq fued? off the court. Rape case? off the court. Even Iverson's "baggage" on the court is something I'd have no problem with. Yes he does take bad shots and shoots too much like Kobe, but all the little trash talking and fueding is something I really don't mind. Up until this year he and Kobe have been the hardest working players in basketball, and with good usually comes a little bad in players. If you're an NBA GM and wouldn't want to take Kobe even if he wanted to sign, you're probably not very good at your job. I bet you if the Lakers offered Detroit Kobe in a sign and trade for Hamilton and Prince, Dumars would accept that trade in an instant. Yes they're already a championship team, but a GM who wants to win doesn't pass on a player in Kobe's calibur.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post"> I bet you if the Lakers offered Detroit Kobe in a sign and trade for Hamilton and Prince, Dumars would accept that trade in an instant. Yes they're already a championship team, but a GM who wants to win doesn't pass on a player in Kobe's calibur.</div> Very good points, Phreeze. Just one thing, I think Kobe is worth even more than Hamilton and Prince. I'd think Ben Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, and future picks would almost fit the bill. He's one of the three best players in the league. You could make a case for him being the best.
Don't give me this Michael Jordan wasn't liked by his teammates <strike>bullshit</strike>. MJ was hard to get along with because he demanded excellence. Kobe is hard to get along with because he's a fucking nut who is erratic and irrational. Also, the Grizzlies have one of the youngest teams in the league, and just came off a 50 win season. Why would you gut that team, and that system for Kobe? It's retarded. It'd be just like 1999, only Kobe's not as good as Dickerson was, and they'd never manage to win 8 games. And if you don't think Kobe has baggage on court, I'm going to have to question how much basketball you watched during the finals, and then call you a fucking moron. The Iverson/Kobe thing is stupid, too. They both have off court problems, that's not the issue. As for Iverson missing practice, Kobe's done the same. Berating teammates too. Iverson's baggage doesn't cost the 76ers games. Kobe's baggage cost the Lakers an NBA championship. I'll even go as far as to say that if the Memphis Grizzlies acquire Kobe Bryant, I will resign as a fan of this team. (And I was a fan of theirs when they were in Vancouver, and Greg Anthony was their best player)
^ Nah bro what's retarded is you not being able to follow the board rules to not use profanity, and thinking that Dickerson was better than Kobe. It really isn't that hard to find replacement words.
^Nah bro what's retarded is you not being able to follow the board rules to not use profanity. It really isn't that hard to find replacement words. Also, how the hell do you figure Michael Dickerson to be a better player than Kobe? Even all other players who hate Kobe atleast recognize him as one of the best in the league. But to say Dickerson was better than him.. now that's retarded for you. I also don't think you even watched the finals, because the only player who was giving it all he had was Kobe. Yeah he did take some bad shots, but besides Shaq's offense what else did the Lakers bring in that series? Shaq played good on the offensive end, but didn't do anything on defense. Kobe shot horrible but played great defense. Besides that, the Lakers were a big 0. You also can't discredit the Pistons, they came out strong and were hungrier than the Lakers as a TEAM; that's why they lost. Kobe and Iverson have had their share of problems off the court, but so do a lot of other great players. They bring everything they got when they do step on the court, and that's when everything matters. Kobe also has never missed a couple of practices until this year, and a lot of that was all excused by the Lakers because of what he had been going through. We all know you dislike Kobe, but you might want to get your case straight if you want to be taken seriously. Saying Kobe isn't better than Dickerson, and that the Lakers lost in the finals because of Kobe is ludicrous.
why would anyone want kobe he is just trouble waiting to happen. He can't get along with Jackson Shaq Malone an Payton. What makes u think he will get along with anyone else. He plays little childish games on the court. He gets in trouble off the court with the law. Now anyone can have there thoughts on if he did or didn't rape that girl. Imo he did an it depends on if he can pay it off now an get out of it ala OJ. If OJ can get off of killing someone Kobe is going to get off of raping this girl. Now he expects the teams to come to his place to try to get him. This guy is insane. I would do anything to keep Kobe off my team. Iverson looks like an angel compared to this guy.
One, A post I made in another forum, that I think makes my feeling fairly clear: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The way I see it is I hate Kobe now, and I can't change that just because he plays for my team. I'm also arguing that he's going to **** the team up. We'll see. I hope it doesn't go through. I've been a Grizzlies fan since day one and, oddly, this is the first time that's ever really been tested. I don't know if I could take Kobe on my team. I honestly think it makes them a worse team. I like all of the players on their current roster, more or less. They just won 50 games. They're young. I'm of the mind that they should just sit on them for five years then let the Larry O'Briens stack themselves year after year. Kobe kind of fucks that up. Plus they'll have to give a lot up. Plus he plays the wrong way. No doubt that he's talented, but so is JR Rider, you know? If he won't share with Shaq, and respect Phil, why would he get the ball to Pau and be happy with Hubie. That's another thing, Kobe won't be happy with 30 minutes a night, and Hubie Brown plays ten men. That would have to go, and I don't think that that'll work. I love Hubie Brown, too. Will he clash with Kobe? There are a lot of questions to be answered, and I'd honestly not deal with any of them. There's even the prospect that we give up whatever we'll be giving up, and Kobe gets locked up anyway, setting us back (again) when we're finally in a position to be successful. Not only because I feel that now he makes my team shittier, but also that Kobe is popular, and I don't want 13 year old rich white girls walking around with #8 "INNOCENT" Grizzlies jerseys, or any shit like that. My head would explode. They're going to bastardize my team.</div> And two, if you can't see why Kobe cost the Lakers the finals, I'm wasting my time anyway.
