<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMKfromTPL:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the above 2 posts cleared up that middle school nonsense of a argument. "(Iverson is not that clutch, he can bring his team back, but he can't get the game winners)." ^^ If im not mistaken, didnt he hit his 1ST game winner of his career...THIS YEAR? Kobe averages 28+,6+,6+ if im not mistaken....and if you look at my first post, i said kobe is the best since mike NOT JUST because of last nights game, but because Kobe has done that before and its RARE to see anyone single hanidly take over a must win game like that. As for the "Streak" ....i still dare anyone on the planet to try and downplay kobe's 9 straight 40+point streak....13 games in a row with atleast 35+ pts ....ONLY WILT CHAMBERLAIN DID IT BETTER...Kobe tied mike jordan in the 9 straight and tied wilt with the 13 straight, mind you these were against PRO teams....have any idea how phenominal that is?? I dont care what anyone says, thats one oft he most dynamic records ever especially in this era, scoring 40 pts is great...some great players have NEVER even had a 40 pt game...let alone 9 straight! and mark my words...THAT WILL NEVER BE DONE AGAIN. As for shaq the reason for LA winning those rings?.... did you even watch any of the playoff games? any of the finals games? Kobe single handidly saved LA in the pacers series and others. Not to mention CLUTCH shots from horry and harper and shaw....SMH. Never did i say kobe was the best because of last night, i know basketball i know its history and its plain ignorent to say Kobe, or Lebron or AI or shaq or anyone is the greatest ever.... In my opinion, Mike Jordan is the single greatest bball player i ever seen, and there are countless others you can make an argument for (Bird,Magic,Wilt,Russell, Kareem etc.) Making this topic into the usual "Kobe against the world" is going OFF TOPIC and should either get back on topic or get locked.</div> you don't get my point don't you? you still talking about how kobe scoring blah blah, wilt scored 100 points. scoring dosen't mean anything. does he make players around him better? no. lebron does, piercre and AI do. ive seen so many kobe games, he's so selfish, if he get doubled he would never pass to a open teamate. He had 9 straight 40 points, but did he score 60?, tmac and AI did. you said kobe led the lakers to get 3 rings by his clutch play and blah blah. But who was doing all the dirty works, blocks and etc. it was shaq wasn't it? if he's so great like you say, how come he's struggling to make the playoff. Not to mention all the good players he has around him. Allen is way better than kob, again im not talking about clutch plays and scoring. he single handedly led the sixers to the nba finale. Kobe is a good player but lets wait and see if proves to us that he's da greates since mj by first making da playoff, winning a ring again. and that is impossible
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Dont even be ignorent enough to ever mention TMac and Kobe in the same breath, 2 different players...Tmac is a scorer NOTHING MORE.</div> This year he's been playing great defense, so i wouldn't say he's just a scorer.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting authentiq:</div><div class="quote_post">^don't need some of that hateration brah. I'm a huge TMac fan, but i don't believe he's better than Kobe. You've got to be ignorant to think that Kobe <u>can't</u> drop 60. I remember when he dropped 56 in just 3 quarters in memphis and sat out the whole 4th quarter, easily could've topped 60 that night, maybe even 70 if he had gotten real hot. Or how about when he dropped 40+ points at a half? I agree that this thread is a bit premature, considering Kobe has not showed in the 4th quarter as much as he usually does in the previous years overall, but to say he doesn't make his teammates better <u>at all</u> is just pure ignorance, not to mention the fact that you said TMac is 10 times better made me laugh, and trust me, I'm a bigger TMac fan than you can imagine.</div> then you don't know anything about tmac. tmac coulda also had more than 62 points that night but he didn't feel like it. who said i hate kobe. i like watching him and learn some of his craziest moves. but all im telling is facts, ive seen so many of kobe game. he just simply play by himself dosen't get his team involved. it's basically kobe against the whole other team. and that's not good. you can't win championship by doing that, you need ur whole team or a teamplay just like the detroit pistons
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">HAHAHAH you are right about TT looking like Beetle Juice Honestly, not to spark a Tmac-Kobe debate...that 13 pt comeback is better than any comeback Kobe has led, but it doesn't make Tmac the more clutch player and it doesn't equal all the clutch shots Kobe has hit. I am 100% sure Tracy will never do it again.</div> like you sure tmac would never do it again. i believe kobe would never have 9 straight 40 points again. We are equal now dont we?
SMH @ the above 2 posts again. NOONE will ever have 9 straight 40+pt games again....why am i confortable in saying that? Cause only Wilt/MJ/Kobe have done it. Case Closed.
I haven't seen allen iverson making webber (their 2nd option) any better... yet chucky,mihm and jj are having great numbers so far. Just look at laker's roster, just a lottery team at most... we all know it's because of Kobe that they even have a chance at that 8th spot
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VC #15:</div><div class="quote_post">you don't get my point don't you? you still talking about how kobe scoring blah blah, wilt scored 100 points. scoring dosen't mean anything. does he make players around him better? </div> Did you read my post? He has made Atkins, Caron, and Mihm bettet. Read my post. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">lebron does, piercre and AI do.</div> HAHAHHA are you kidding me? Pierce and AI make their teammates better? AI..meaning Iverson? Pierce..no they don't. Kobe is in the same situation that they have been in their whole careers, but I can tell you for a fact that Kobe will make the Lakers contenders again. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">ive seen so many kobe games, he's so selfish, if he get doubled he would never pass to a open teamate. He had 9 straight 40 points, but did he score 60?, tmac and AI did.</div> Are you kidding me? When Kobe is doubled he splits it and hits the open man, but the open man rarely hits the shot. And aren't you a little hypocrite. You accused DMK of mentionting scoring..but what the hell are you doing? Mentioning scoring 60 plus..SHUT THE HELL UP. 9 Straight 40 plus games is a lot more phenominal than a little 60 point game. AI and Tmac are scorers, nothing more. They are no where near Kobe on Defense or clutchness. AI just hit his first game winner this year, that is not clutch. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">you said kobe led the lakers to get 3 rings by his clutch play and blah blah. But who was doing all the dirty works, blocks and etc. it was shaq wasn't it?</div> He didn't say that. He said Kobe helped. And Shaq didn't do much dirty work at all, he clogged the paint. I don't call that dirty work. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if he's so great like you say, how come he's struggling to make the playoff. Not to mention all the good players he has around him.</div> Are you kidding me? Are you that stupid? How about the players don't show up every god damn night. You show me two games in a row where Caron, Atkins, Mihm, and Lamar all showed up...it hasn't happened. Plus you add the fact that we are completely switching offenses in the middle of the season...of course the Lakers are going to struggle. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Allen is way better than kob, again im not talking about clutch plays and scoring. he single handedly led the sixers to the nba finale.</div> He did not. He had some good help back then..Aaron McKie was a good 6th man back then, Eric Snow is a good and very underrated PG, factor in they had Mutombo, who I believe was the NBA DPOY, that is a lot more help than Kobe has now. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is a good player but lets wait and see if proves to us that he's da greates since mj by first making da playoff, winning a ring again. and that is impossible</div> How do you figure it is impossible? Ask anybody in the league..KG, Duncan, Iverson, LeBron, Wade...they will all tell you that Kobe will be back. You can't expect him to be great right off of the bat. He has to teach all the players on the Lakers the triangle, that takes time. Give them one off-season (this upcoming one) to make some moves to acquire the right peices for the triangle and for Lamar to learn it and L.A. will be back. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting VC #15:</div><div class="quote_post">like you sure tmac would never do it again. i believe kobe would never have 9 straight 40 points again. We are equal now dont we?</div> I am positive Tmac will never do that again, it is a once in a lifetime thing. We aren't equal because no where did I say Kobe would repeat that streak, because he won't. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting VC #15:</div><div class="quote_post">then you don't know anything about tmac. tmac coulda also had more than 62 points that night but he didn't feel like it. who said i hate kobe. i like watching him and learn some of his craziest moves. but all im telling is facts, ive seen so many of kobe game. he just simply play by himself dosen't get his team involved. it's basically kobe against the whole other team. and that's not good. you can't win championship by doing that, you need ur whole team or a teamplay just like the detroit pistons</div> He didn't feel like it? Are you kidding me? He felt like scoring 62, but he didn't feel like scoring more? That is a joke of an arguement. How is Kobe not getting his team involved? 6 assists is not getting them involved? Should be 8 assists atleast if they hit the open shots he creates for them? How about the teammates actually start showing up to every god damn game and then we will see if Kobe is making his teammates better. Caron, Mihm, and Atkins are all having terrific years in one way or another, Kobe can't control wether they show up or not. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobemvp:</div><div class="quote_post">I haven't seen allen iverson making webber (their 2nd option) any better... yet chucky,mihm and jj are having great numbers so far. Just look at laker's roster, just a lottery team at most... we all know it's because of Kobe that they even have a chance at that 8th spot</div> I agree with everything you said here...without Kobe, this team is headed for a top 5 pick in the draft.
Kobe Bryant is 26 yrs old...... how old was mike when he got his 1st ring??? 29 i believe... KB8Ball.... no need of even appeazing this kid, his arguments hold no water so it pointless. This topic should be locked in my opinion.
I agree. This topic should be locked. What are you guys trying to prove? This isn't a Kobe/MJ argument. And if this is a Kobe/TMac argument, why do you keep looking at scoring? It's not the only aspect of the game. This argument is pointless, some seriously lock this.
you guys are just bunch of idiots who just love kobe and praise the good things he does, but you don't look at the his weakeneses, the bad things he does. like being a ballhog not a team player. come on man watch his games. and you'll gotta admit that. i don't even gotta say much, Time will tell im right. <font color="Black">MARK MY WORD</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VC #15:</div><div class="quote_post">you guys are just bunch of idiots </div> Another violation of JBB Guidelines. I suggest you read them real good if you want to stay at JBB for awhile. Calling people idiots is not the way to stay here. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">who just love kobe and praise the good things he does, but you don't look at the his weakeneses, the bad things he does. like being a ballhog not a team player. come on man watch his games. and you'll gotta admit that. i don't even gotta say much, Time will tell im right. <font color="Black">MARK MY WORD</font></div> You are ignorant. How is he a ball hog but AI, Pierce, McGrady..all the players you have used to support your "arguement" are all "ballhogs" also. Kobe is no where near a ball hog. Averaging 28, 6, and 6 makes you a ballhog? I guess MJ was a ballhog also. Lebron only averages one more assist than Kobe, that makes him a ballhog. Your logic is screwed up, maybe you need to re-think your arguement.
Hes averaging <u>6+ assists a game</u>...he had 9 assists last night to go with 32 pts and 4 boards....He's got 4 triple doubles this season as well. WAKE UP!
Kobe gets haters because people write topics like these. Simply, Kobe is not the greatest, he is not the next jordan, or even the standout player of this generation, he is just a very good player. True, he is brilliant, but he is one of a large list eg: Kobe, Iverson, Shaq, Vince, Tmac, Nowitzki, Webber, Nash, Marion etc He is not above any of them.
Marion??.......LMFAO! Webber??.... no way. Vince?... you must think dunking makes u good. smh How do people hate someone based on a topic a FAN makes at a newsboard? If you base your "Hate" on a topic at a newsboard....thats <u>PATHETIC</u>
