First of all, you made a couple criticisms about Kobe that were very true like not being consistent within the system offense, jacking up bad shots & took his teammates out of the game, and not efficient all around (compare to Wade, Lebron, Kidd, KG, etc). Those are some of negative aspects on Kobe?s games that I agreed with you. Like you, I also don?t hate Nash, especially not his personality. He?s a cool guy in my opinion. But I admit I do dislike him a bit because quite honestly, I am jealous that the media tend to give him all the credits for the Suns? success when actually guys like Marion, Barbosa, and Stourdemire should also deserve ?some?. I think he?s a phenomenon player, and probably going to be a hall of famer someday. IMO his biggest, scariest asset on offense is not his ability to pass, but his ability to shoot the ball. He?s a light out shooter. He shot over 50%, 40% at the 3, 90% at the line, and is one of the best pure shooters in the game today. Though, you have to admit to yourself, Nash played at this elite level for only 3 years. Before he is a Mavs, he was a ?nobody? during the old Phoenix Suns? era. Before he arrived as a new Suns? member, he was ?just like any other all-stars? that got the reputation of being a ?wild passer?. Then you look at Kobe, for what he had done over the past 7 years. During the Lakers? dynasty, Kobe was already perceived to be one of the best all around player, averaging around 29ppg, 7rpg, 6apg, 2spg, and a block per game. It is clearly who?s the better all around player, not only today but throughout their career, it?s Kobe! If your criterion is all around, then how the heck Nash?s better than not Kobe, but Jason Kidd? He led the league in triple double. If your criterion is team player, then KG imo is the best. He?s the ultimate definition of a team player. Everything ran through him, their plays? set, high post, low post, defensive scheme, everything. The only misfortunate about KG is that he doesn?t have enough talents like Nash to be successful in term of winning and being a contender. And speaking of Nash?s success within his team records, well all I can say is you can?t turn crap into gold. It is just not going to happen. Nobody can take a bunch of crappy talents and expect him to carry them to compete for a championship. You obviously have your own perception of who?s the best. But like I said before, don?t be blind with the truth and don?t let your personal feeling get in the way with your logical thinking. I?m a Kobe?s fan, and some of the things I said might favor Kobe obviously. But quite honestly, there were times I questioned myself whether Kobe should actually be the best player or D-Wade. In term of efficiency, D-Wade is unbelievable. However ask yourself, what did D-wade do that Kobe can?t do and what Kobe can do that D-Wade can?t. The answer is pretty obvious, ?shooting range?. Everything D-Wade does, Kobe can probably does the same. If Phil wants Kobe to average 20/10/7, he?s going to do whatever it takes to accomplish his coach?s demand. His effort, his determination, his game should be something that you should focus on and not something outside of basketball like his personality or any craps about what he did in his personal life. Whose give a crap if he?s cocky, arrogant, unsportmanship or cold blooded. What matter is his basketball talent, his thrive to success as a basketball player. "don't be a hater as it does nothing good; be a lover as you share receive some love"
<div class="quote_poster">kobe4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">First of all, you made a couple criticisms about Kobe that were very true like not being consistent within the system offense, jacking up bad shots & took his teammates out of the game, and not efficient all around (compare to Wade, Lebron, Kidd, KG, etc). Those are some of negative aspects on Kobe’s games that I agreed with you. Like you, I also don’t hate Nash, especially not his personality. He’s a cool guy in my opinion. But I admit I do dislike him a bit because quite honestly, I am jealous that the media tend to give him all the credits for the Suns’ success when actually guys like Marion, Barbosa, and Stourdemire should also deserve ‘some’. I think he’s a phenomenon player, and probably going to be a hall of famer someday. IMO his biggest, scariest asset on offense is not his ability to pass, but his ability to shoot the ball. He’s a light out shooter. He shot over 50%, 40% at the 3, 90% at the line, and is one of the best pure shooters in the game today. Though, you have to admit to yourself, Nash played at this elite level for only 3 years. Before he is a Mavs, he was a ‘nobody’ during the old Phoenix Suns’ era. Before he arrived as a new Suns’ member, he was ‘just like any other all-stars’ that got the reputation of being a ‘wild passer’. Then you look at Kobe, for what he had done over the past 7 years. During the Lakers’ dynasty, Kobe was already perceived to be one of the best all around player, averaging around 29ppg, 7rpg, 6apg, 2spg, and a block per game. It is clearly who’s the better all around player, not only today but throughout their career, it’s Kobe! If your criterion is all around, then how the heck Nash’s better than not Kobe, but Jason Kidd? He led the league in triple double. If your criterion is team player, then KG imo is the best. He’s the ultimate definition of a team player. Everything ran through him, their plays’ set, high post, low post, defensive scheme, everything. The only misfortunate about KG is that he doesn’t have enough talents like Nash to be successful in term of winning and being a contender. And speaking of Nash’s success within his team records, well all I can say is you can’t turn crap into gold. It is just not going to happen. Nobody can take a bunch of crappy talents and expect him to carry them to compete for a championship. You obviously have your own perception of who’s the best. But like I said before, don’t be blind with the truth and don’t let your personal feeling get in the way with your logical thinking. I’m a Kobe’s fan, and some of the things I said might favor Kobe obviously. But quite honestly, there were times I questioned myself whether Kobe should actually be the best player or D-Wade. In term of efficiency, D-Wade is unbelievable. However ask yourself, what did D-wade do that Kobe can’t do and what Kobe can do that D-Wade can’t. The answer is pretty obvious, ‘shooting range’. Everything D-Wade does, Kobe can probably does the same. If Phil wants Kobe to average 20/10/7, he’s going to do whatever it takes to accomplish his coach’s demand. His effort, his determination, his game should be something that you should focus on and not something outside of basketball like his personality or any craps about what he did in his personal life. Whose give a crap if he’s cocky, arrogant, unsportmanship or cold blooded. What matter is his basketball talent, his thrive to success as a basketball player. "don't be a hater as it does nothing good; be a lover as you share receive some love" </div> very well put.! i see your logic, and really respect that you actually do see the bad with the good. first off, i will agree with you anyday about who is better career wise. thats not what i am arguing . i am saying in the game today. being a kidd fan, and him being literally the undisputed best point in the league back then, it really ticked me off how people would see nash hit his stride a few years back and claim he was better than kidd and the best since magic and all this because of one year or two years. not to many people must of watched him in the beginning of his career because like you said he wasnt nothing special. but as time progressed, and like many of you claim about kobe being such a hard worker, the same applies to nash. he didnt just wake up with the skills he has these days, he worked hard for them as well. its really hard to tell whose will power, and drive to continuely get better and work really hard to boost your skills to the next level is stronger than the next players. so to say kobe's drive to always get better and work day and night is higher than nash's or the next guy is more of a guess, you know. and ill admit wade isnt close to kobe's shooting. that is obvious. but the rest combined out does his lack of range. and i believe his FG% is better as well so he is at least smart enough to not jack alot and think he is a shooter. and im not sure if you were to refering to me or others that dislike kobe, but i dont think i brought his personal life into it. but as for being labeled 'dirty', i just dont condone that you know. and it is about the players basketball talent, but like i said before its terrible seeing others work as hard and do as good as they can within the boundaries of the league rules and then see things like kobe's elbow issues. and im not sayin he is the only dirty player, and it applies to anyone using any type of 'unnecessary roughness' to help better their chances of getting a foul in their favor for a play or two.
<div class="quote_poster">jealous? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">very well put.! i see your logic, and really respect that you actually do see the bad with the good. first off, i will agree with you anyday about who is better career wise. thats not what i am arguing . i am saying in the game today. being a kidd fan, and him being literally the undisputed best point in the league back then, it really ticked me off how people would see nash hit his stride a few years back and claim he was better than kidd and the best since magic and all this because of one year or two years. not to many people must of watched him in the beginning of his career because like you said he wasnt nothing special. but as time progressed, and like many of you claim about kobe being such a hard worker, the same applies to nash. he didnt just wake up with the skills he has these days, he worked hard for them as well. its really hard to tell whose will power, and drive to continuely get better and work really hard to boost your skills to the next level is stronger than the next players. so to say kobe's drive to always get better and work day and night is higher than nash's or the next guy is more of a guess, you know. and ill admit wade isnt close to kobe's shooting. that is obvious. but the rest combined out does his lack of range. and i believe his FG% is better as well so he is at least smart enough to not jack alot and think he is a shooter. </div> They're pretty much the same TS%-wise, so don't refer to Kobe as some sort of "jacking up" shooter. Wade's offensive production is impressive; though his game would suffer the most ten years ago.
<div class="quote_poster">jealous? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">very well put.! i see your logic, and really respect that you actually do see the bad with the good. first off, i will agree with you anyday about who is better career wise. thats not what i am arguing . i am saying in the game today. being a kidd fan, and him being literally the undisputed best point in the league back then, it really ticked me off how people would see nash hit his stride a few years back and claim he was better than kidd and the best since magic and all this because of one year or two years. not to many people must of watched him in the beginning of his career because like you said he wasnt nothing special. but as time progressed, and like many of you claim about kobe being such a hard worker, the same applies to nash. he didnt just wake up with the skills he has these days, he worked hard for them as well. its really hard to tell whose will power, and drive to continuely get better and work really hard to boost your skills to the next level is stronger than the next players. so to say kobe's drive to always get better and work day and night is higher than nash's or the next guy is more of a guess, you know. and ill admit wade isnt close to kobe's shooting. that is obvious. but the rest combined out does his lack of range. and i believe his FG% is better as well so he is at least smart enough to not jack alot and think he is a shooter. and im not sure if you were to refering to me or others that dislike kobe, but i dont think i brought his personal life into it. but as for being labeled 'dirty', i just dont condone that you know. and it is about the players basketball talent, but like i said before its terrible seeing others work as hard and do as good as they can within the boundaries of the league rules and then see things like kobe's elbow issues. and im not sayin he is the only dirty player, and it applies to anyone using any type of 'unnecessary roughness' to help better their chances of getting a foul in their favor for a play or two.</div> I don't intend at directing at you. Everybody has their own opinion as to who the best. Both sides have their point of view, so neither sides are correct. I like to listen to the unbias basketball fan and hear them pick who they think is the best. I think that will be a fair judgement for both sides. Let's just enjoy both player, Nash and Kobe. Both are amazing player. Kobe just scored 60 points today!
<div class="quote_poster">kobe4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't intend at directing at you. Everybody has their own opinion as to who the best. Both sides have their point of view, so neither sides are correct. I like to listen to the unbias basketball fan and hear them pick who they think is the best. I think that will be a fair judgement for both sides. Let's just enjoy both player, Nash and Kobe. Both are amazing player. Kobe just scored 60 points today! </div> Class act.
