Kobe is probally the best comparison to MJ,its because he is modeled behind Jordan someone told me when MJ retired and Phil went to the Lakers and the Lakers got Kobe , that Phil asked MJ to come out and train Kobe,plus you know MJ gives him advice on the phone and stuff. The only thing that makes the comparison off is because it seems like Kobe plays with a different mentality often,like sometimes he takes 1 shot in the half the next half he is scoring at will,thats a weird thing about Kobe and I dont remeber Jordain doing that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe Is very much making a case for himself to be compared to MJ definitly because at the age of 23 kobe has 3 titles looking for the fourth and at age 25 MJ only had 1 his second coming shortly after his 25th birthday true you can say that MJ never played with Shaq but then that would also make a case for why Kobe can be compared toJordan because he has had to fix his game to fit shaqs and still averages 20+ points and leads his team also at his age of 23 jordan had no were near as good a jumper as kobe already has and this after a couple of years of college experence while kobe came out of high school so he deserves to be compared to Jordan no dought imo.</div> You can try using punctuations... First of all, Jordan won his first championship at 28. He won it after 6 seasons. Kobe won his first after 3 seasons, but Kobe came to the league 3 years Jordan's junior, and he already had a dominant center, and who did Jordan have? Pippen wasn't even in the league yet. So it's unfair to compare them in that aspect just because Kobe won it at a younger age. Jordan was WAY more productive for his first, second, third championship than Kobe was, so don't even try to compare them when it comes to championships. Jordan had way less experience than Kobe in the NBA, and he was still better than the current Kobe. All he has over Jordan at the same age is jump shots. Basically, from a perspective where Jordan is 26 right now, Kobe still can't be compared to him. If Kobe can be consistent from 26 and older like Jordan was, then we can possibly compare them only in THAT time, which means Kobe cannot be compared to Jordan as of now.
kobe has better jumpshots, his verticle is exactly like jordan, I think he is even more of a leader than jordan.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ICED T:</div><div class="quote_post">How many times does have he have to prove to you guys that he is getting to jordans level. We can never compare the two they played in two diffrent dacads, the leuge was weaker in jordans time, right now everyone is tougher physically and mentally, Kobe is only 26! he hasn't even reached his peak yet! just wait and we will all see.</div> Please don't make statements like that ever again, Kobe has to prove alot to be anywhere close to MJ's level. For starting not to shoot under 40% in any playoff series. Mike shot over 50% without any low post help, Kobe has Shaq and still struggles to shoot a high % The league was weaker in MJ's time? are you a comedian? you must be. The talent level now is nowhere near the standard It was in Mike's day. Jordan would not get shut down by any of the defenses in this era. Nor would he struggle. You have alot to learn about MJ So here is a suggestion Go to your local video store and try and find as many MJ game tapes as possible, that way you won't look like an blind groupie. As for Kobe's age, don't expect him to get that much better. This is as great as he will be, I don't expect to see a huge improvement. And as for Kobe being a better leader than Jordan? you are so far wrong with that statement. Another one of your jokes I'm guessing?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ICED T:</div><div class="quote_post">kobe has better jumpshots, his verticle is exactly like jordan, I think he is even more of a leader than jordan.</div> Umm dude I am a huge Kobe fan, but you just completely blew this thread out of proportion...how man titles did Mj LEAD his team to? 6. How many has Kobe WON with his team? 3, Possibly 4. MJ knocked down shots at will, the explosiveness is equal, I will give that to you...but no way is Kobe a better leader, Kobe hasnt even lead a team yet..
Alright, let me settle this once and for all. If you watched ANY of the games in this series, you'll see why Kobe is NOWHERE near MJ. NOWHERE.
^ It's stupid to even compare them. Besides, defenses weren't as tough on Jordan as it is on Kobe against the Pistons. You can't judge a player by one series, and it's a totally different situation. People love to say stuff like "Jordan got double teamed all the time" and stuff, not true. If you look at the tape you'll see he wasn't doubled most of the time. Defenses couldn't focus on him as much as they do with guys like Kobe and T-Mac, simply because he had help around him. To help Jordan who would they leave open, Pippen? No. Steve Kerr? No. On the other hand teams will openly leave guys like Devean George or Tyron Lue open to double Kobe or T-Mac. Jordan's team was completely built around him, whereas Kobe's team is completely built around Shaq and T-Mac's team is poorly built period. Like I've said over.. and over.. and over again... it's stupid to compare players, especially when they don't even play against eachother in their primes.
in last nights game, when one of the jumpers he hit, the anouncers replayed it, and said sumthing like " Ah, he had the tounge action, like Jordan" That cracked me up
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ICED T:</div><div class="quote_post">kobe has better jumpshots, his verticle is exactly like jordan, I think he is even more of a leader than jordan.</div> CRACK IS WHACK, especially if your a teen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">^ It's stupid to even compare them. Besides, defenses weren't as tough on Jordan as it is on Kobe against the Pistons. You can't judge a player by one series, and it's a totally different situation. People love to say stuff like "Jordan got double teamed all the time" and stuff, not true. If you look at the tape you'll see he wasn't doubled most of the time. Defenses couldn't focus on him as much as they do with guys like Kobe and T-Mac, simply because he had help around him. To help Jordan who would they leave open, Pippen? No. Steve Kerr? No. On the other hand teams will openly leave guys like Devean George or Tyron Lue open to double Kobe or T-Mac. Jordan's team was completely built around him, whereas Kobe's team is completely built around Shaq and T-Mac's team is poorly built period. Like I've said over.. and over.. and over again... it's stupid to compare players, especially when they don't even play against eachother in their primes.</div> This is so untrue its almost unbelievable. The Kobe rules that you think are so difficult on Kobe were once called the jordan rules by the original Pistons which where twice as difficult & way more psyhical.
How many times have we repeated "kobe being compared to Air Jordan? Huh? I am personally sick and tired of trying to get this message through some of these thick-headed people who think they can DARE compare kobe to jordan. Please.. It is a waste of time! it's like comparing Wendy's to ...i don't know whatever best meal on earth you can find. You might like wendy's but you can never forget or compare it to the best meal you had say... in the late 80s or mid 90s? Its that good. I know its a cheesy comparison but for some of us, we NEED this type of analogy because heck, we need it. Jordan will always remain as the best there ever was in every aspect of the game - on and off the court. and thats the way it will be a 100 years from now. Now, live with that.
no one would try to guard jordy that hard and plus he wouldn't miss freaking 17 shots that half of them should have gone in, i think kobe has the case on his mind too much right now
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ICED T:</div><div class="quote_post">kobe has better jumpshots, his verticle is exactly like jordan, I think he is even more of a leader than jordan.</div> Sorry for this unsubstantial comment, but this is the quote of the year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">This is so untrue its almost unbelievable. The Kobe rules that you think are so difficult on Kobe were once called the jordan rules by the original Pistons which where twice as difficult & way more psyhical.</div> Well, I wouldn't say twice as difficult...The current Pistons' interior defense is probably better than the Bad Boys defense... As far as this thread, whole Kobe-MJ thing...I've said this many times, Kobe isn't even close to MJ right now, Kobe will most likely never be as great as MJ was, but Kobe does have some MJ tendencies....hence the constant comparisons...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Kobe Bryant might shoot too much, but so did Michael Jordan. It seems last week Bryant, when he saved the Los Angeles Lakers in Game 2 of the NBA Finals with that shocking 3-pointer, as he'd done many times before, namely his twin threes in Portland at the end of the season that changed the entire playoff seeding, Bryant was Michael Jordan hitting that game-winning shot against Cleveland and Craig Ehlo in the playoffs. The shot was played over and over again on TV. And so the last few days Bryant has been Jordan again, as the joke here at the Finals goes, the Jordan in Washington. Like Dorian Gray, Bryant was aging but just his game. Yeah, yeah, he takes bad shots. And he breaks the Lakers' offense a little too often. Daring to be great is not just hitting the game-winning shot. It's failing, as well, as Jordan has said many times. And trying. This is what truly separates the great ones. They don't ever expect to miss. Or lose. </div> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004..._sam&id=1821993 There, now can we get over with this topic? It's turned into another Kobe & Jordan comparison, and I don't think we need any more of that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, I wouldn't say twice as difficult...The current Pistons' interior defense is probably better than the Bad Boys defense... </div> I say twice as difficult for one reason. How many times has Kobe been knocked on his ass hard in this series? This current Pistons interior of the 2 Wallace etc are looking to block your shot not lay you out. The old bad boy Pistons of Mahorn, Lambieer where looking to lay you out not block your shot. And that fear factor alone would keep perimeter players from trying to drive the lane. For guys like Kobe & MJ the fear of getting their shot block wont keep them from driving to the basket or at least trying. But you knock any player on their a** three straight time going down the lane and even the great ones start to think about a different plan of attack.
^ Agreed. The physicalness and roughness of today is NOWHERE near the olden days where if a guy is cutting into the paint, someone else can step up and literally tackle and sock the guy up, falls on the floor and nothing will be called. You see any of that these days? I'm personally sick of those plays that Vlade and Fisher live on these days. What a bunch of sissies. Kobe has it easier on him than MJ. I mean seriously, when Kobe drives, who does he have to dish out? Let's see, he's got D.George and Fisher who are above average shooters, and of course, the interior defense can't just collapse on him all the time because there's a monster named Shaq in there. Now let's look at Jordan. Who does he have? Scottie Pippen. That's it. His big men are players like Luc Longly and Bill "Elbow" Cartwright. I can't even begin to tell you how unfair it would be to compare Shaq with those two people. The only dynasty in all of NBA history where the guard is the dominating/focal point is MJ's Bulls. He won 6 rings. Kobe has 3, that's half of what MJ has. He's not even close.
