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    <div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">We don't know all the details of the deal. Just to match salaries, the Lakers would had to have included either Kwame or Odom along with Bynum. OR they would have to trade close to 6 players to match Kidd's salary. Kidd is making $18M per season, Bynum is making $2M per season. The $16M difference is a big number to make up when you're talking trade.

    I doubt the Nets would be willing to take back 6 players from the Lakers team, and then have to make additional moves to accomadate them.

    The Lakers would have an even thinner bench, who do you add to make up for those 5 other players you ship out?

    The Lakers could not afford to trade away two frontcourt players (Bynum + Kwame) or (Bynum + Odom) or (Odom + Kwame) for Jason Kidd.</div>

    Neither of the 3 were packages for kidd... i read somwhere (its legit), but i cant find it anymore that they were willing to take bynum, someone not named odom and kwame, picks and 3mil in cash
     
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    Correct. The Nets didn't want Odom, they wanted Bynum.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">We don't know all the details of the deal. Just to match salaries, the Lakers would had to have included either Kwame or Odom along with Bynum. OR they would have to trade close to 6 players to match Kidd's salary. Kidd is making $18M per season, Bynum is making $2M per season. The $16M difference is a big number to make up when you're talking trade.

    I doubt the Nets would be willing to take back 6 players from the Lakers team, and then have to make additional moves to accomadate them.

    The Lakers would have an even thinner bench, who do you add to make up for those 5 other players you ship out?

    The Lakers could not afford to trade away two frontcourt players (Bynum + Kwame) or (Bynum + Odom) or (Odom + Kwame) for Jason Kidd.</div>

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007...ge=LakersFuture

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">2. The Lakers, by all accounts, could have excluded Odom from a Kidd deal -- as well as an earlier swap that Sacramento backed out of involving Mike Bibby -- as long as they included Bynum. Would you rather start over with a duo of, say, Kobe and Jermaine ... or the trio of Kobe, Kidd and Odom?</div>
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">kobe23 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007...ge=LakersFuture</div>

    The article mentions the Lakers didn't have to include Odom, but it didn't say Kwame wouldn't be part of the deal. The Lakers aren't in a position to trade both Kwame and Bynum. Who would play center for the team?

    Bynum + Picks + $3M in cash doesn't total Kidd's $18M
     
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    kwame, radman, bynum, picks and cash for kidd and collins

    im sure it doesnt work, but maybe we could make it happen somehow. radman is just there to add some money to our side of the trade. nets might be desperate this offseason to make a big change so if they are, i could see this happening, maybe.
     
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    Man Up, Mitch
    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"I voiced my opinion, now it's on them to go out there and do their job and make it happen," Bryant said Friday afternoon at the Lakers practice facility. "This summer is about getting ourselves to an elite level. ...

    "This is a competitive city. We're used to winning titles, not just winning games or getting to the first round. We want to championships. Now's the time.

    "We've been struggling here for three years and I just don't want to hear it anymore. I want to see things get done and I'm sure the city is in that same pocket." </div>

    Taken from Lakersground, no source indicated.

    Jermaine a Knick?
    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But sources say O'Neal already has told the Pacers he wants to be traded to the Knicks and former Pacers coach and close friend Isiah Thomas. Would the Pacers take Stephon Marbury or maybe a package with Steve Francis, Jared Jeffries and Channing Frye and the Bulls' first-round pick, which the Knicks own in the swap?</div>
    Source: Chicago Tribune
    Indiana would be stupid to turn down that deal, it seems like a lot more than the Lakers could offer.

    "We can't wait for Bynum, Farmar.
    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe Bryant's had almost two days to cool off from the Lakers season-ending loss in Game 5, but if anything, his stance on the situation of the team has grown stronger. Kobe reiterated his calls on the front office to ``Do something'' about the team's current state. Asked point blank whether the team can just sit back and wait for Andrew Bynum and Jordan Farmar to develop, Kobe said, <u><font size="3">``No. Something needs to be done.'' </u></font>
    Later on, Mitch seemed to indicate that Andrew might be on the table this time around. I'm sure it would still take a lot, but Mitch basically said that the Lakers were going to build around Kobe and that they'd aggressively pursue every opportunity to improve as a team via free agency, the draft, or trade.
    The No. 1 priority seemed to be to find help in the backcourt. Phil Jackson acknowledged that they need an upgrade over Smush Parker at the point. And I don't think they want to put Jordan Farmar in the position of being the starter so early on into his career.

    Kobe wasn't interested in outlining specific changes -- ``I don't know who has to stay and who has to go,'' -- but it's clear that the Lakers know they'll need to do something to keep their superstar happy this summer.

    ``This summer is about getting ourselves to an elite level and doing whatever it takes to make that happen. This is a competitive city. We're used to winning titles not just winning games or getting to the first round, we're used to winning championships.

    ``I just voiced my opinion and now they've got to go out there and do the best they can to make it happen. When I resigned here, they promised that they would build a contender and build a contender now. I don't want to have to wait anymore than I already have.

    ``I don't know (how we do it). I just voiced my opinion. Now it's on them to go out there and do their job and make it happen. I'm sure (Mitch) understands that patience is running thin in myself and coach. We want to be able to contend. I'm sure he understands that.


    On his window for playing at a high level:

    ``Obviously, there's a window. I feel fine physically. I still eat like crap. The important thing to me is winning, now. We had a season where we missed the playoffs, then we got bounced from the playoffs in the first round the last two seasons. We got to the playoffs the next to last game of the regular season ... it's enough of that.

    On whether making the Western Conference Finals next year is enough:

    ``I don't play for anything but championships...'' </div>
    Also from LG.net. Kobe's done biting his tongue, I'm glad he's vocal about how he's feeling right now. Mitch needs to get something done, because Kobe's verbally murdering him through subliminal messages to the media.
     
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    now kg has to follw kobes lead.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">michiganave17 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">now kg has to follw kobes lead.</div>

    Exactly.. I'am dying to see a Kobe & KG Duo. But, it probabaly wont happen.. [​IMG]
     
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    im sorry, but i dont understand something
    i know that to make a trade, you need to match salarys
    the draft picks, have an amount of money? they mean something in salaries?
    because bynum is just 2millions, and kidd is 18
    i hope you understand the question
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">pablitocesar Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">im sorry, but i dont understand something
    i know that to make a trade, you need to match salarys
    the draft picks, have an amount of money? they mean something in salaries?
    because bynum is just 2millions, and kidd is 18
    i hope you understand the question</div>

    Yeah, because the teams are over the salary cap limit, the salaries need to come close to matching (by 25%, i believe). In the Kidd trade, we would have to have included more than just Bynum. We probably would have had to throw in Kwame Brown (9 million) and someone else (McKie??) to match up the salaries.
     
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    odem bynum
    for
    Powe or west and Pierce
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">michiganave17 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">odem bynum
    for
    Powe or west and Pierce</div>

    Well, I don't mind that trade at all, but if we can get Garnett or J. O'Neal for Odom and Bynum, I'd rather trade for them. If not, then yes, I definetly would not mind seeing Pierce in a Laker uniform.
     
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    what about steve francis, it looks like he is going to be waiwed by the knicks, mybe we could get him cheap?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">dripi24la Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">what about steve francis, it looks like he is going to be waiwed by the knicks, mybe we could get him cheap?</div>

    Francis might be used in a trade for Jermaine Oneal, but if that does not happen. Then i would not mind picking him up, that is to say if he clears his act. Francis is better then nothing. But he wouldn't be my first pick with all the other PG's that are free agents this offseason, like Billups.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">michiganave17 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">odem bynum
    for
    Powe or west and Pierce</div>

    The trade should be Odom & Bynum for the trio of Powe, West and Pierce. I don't think Leon Powe would be a deal breaker for Boston since they already have Gomes, Jefferson, and the addition of Odom.

    The Lakers would lose depth in the frontcourt, but you cross your fingers and hope Mihm can return to a productive level post-injury.

    Paul Pierce is an upgrade over Lamar Odom, and has the same competitive fire Kobe Bryant plays with. Pierce can score anywhere on the court, makes a living getting to the free throw line, and is the triple threat player needed for the Triangle offense.

    Delonte West is another upgrade, and has the flexbility to play either PG or SG for the Lakers. Like Pierce, he rebounds well for his size, and gets to the free throw line plenty.

    Leon Powe gives the Lakers a physical low post player who gets after rebounds and can make his free throws. Having him and Turiaf available off the bench would give the Lakers a lot of options in the frontcourt.

    The Lakers upgrade in three areas, and only lose out on Bynum's potential and some size in the trade.

    Projected lineup:

    PG - West/Farmar/Sasha
    SG - Kobe/Evans
    SF - Pierce/Walton/Radman
    PF - Turiaf/Powe/Cook
    C - Kwame/Mihm

    The Lakers also have 3 draft picks (1st rounder, 2 second rounders) to fill out the roster.
     
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    This offseason should be the best Lakers in my opinion <u>will</u> bring either KG or JO. If not the Lakers will have another crappy season. Kwame should be gone. The Lakers should not trade some bigs for somebody like Kidd that will be just a dumb move.
     
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    Bynum and Garnett? Put the pipe down, no way we can even think about Garnett if we don't give up Bynum.

    Not think about Kidd? Yeah, let's re-sign Smush! C'mon bro, be smarter than that.
     
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    Jermaine O'Neal Did NOT Ask for a Trade

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
    Jermaine O'Neal said in an interview Wednesday that he has spoken with Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh once since the season ended, but trade talk never entered the conversation. He said there is nothing to reports that he's pushing to be reunited with his old coach Isiah Thomas at the New York Knicks .

    "That's just somebody that's putting out speculation," O'Neal told The Associated Press. "That didn't come from the Pacers, and that didn't come from me."

    O'Neal was close to Thomas when he coached the Pacers, before he was fired four years ago in favour of Carlisle. O'Neal acknowledges that he could be traded but denied a Chicago Tribune report that he had made such a request.

    "They gave me the opportunity to build my name and status in this league," O'Neal said of the Pacers. "It's disrespectful to them to be commenting about it. I haven't made any demands or anything like that.

    "There's not going to be anymore speculation," he said. "It's all going to be false speculation. I'm going to let the process take its course.</div>

    Link

    That gives us another option
     
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    The Suns will deal Marion before they deal Amare, at least IMO.
     
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