Kobe VS Jordan

Excellent post shape. Thats exactly what I've been tryin to point out. You have to realize that when Lebron came into the league as a rookie, he was the Cavs FRANCHISE player. WADE is the HEATs as well. They are going to get their touches and get their minutes on the floor automatically.

Kobe was not drafted as a franchise player. Kobe came in fighting for some playing time with seasoned all stars like Jones. Lebron didnt have to worry about it. Lebron got the start from the get go.

18 is different than 22 years as well. Yes Lebron is an exception to the rule. As I mentioned before, how many 18 year olds do you know are as big as Lebron, as strong as Lebron, and as developed?

Jordan, KG, Kobe, J. Oneal, were not gifted with the body type and size Lebron is. They had to condition themselves and workout extra hard to get anywhere near the size Lebron was at 18. Lebron has a bodytype of a player in his PRIME!!!!

 

As much as I am a Jordan fan, and must as most people hate Kobe, I must admit that Kobe is one great player.But the problem is, his imitating MJ too much, the walk after a shot, the fade-away j's, the way he shoots his freethrow's... come on... I think everyone can see this, there is only 1 MJ. Kobe must find his own style, his own game. His althleticism is incredible, he can a player of his own, Kobe style! Oh to point out, Scottie Pippen is a Hall Famer but he was virtually an unknown when he started. Mj didn't have Rodman in the Bulls first 3 rings

 

^ This is another thing I dont understand. Jordan Fans. You love Michael Jordan. Jordan is a hero of yours. Am I right? Hero's will be imitated. Kobe just happens to do it best. If your going to imitate a player, at least do it right? Right?

Kobe's style of play should be considered a tribute to what Jordan has accomplished. Jordan fans should embrace it. Jordan's legacy will never die. Jordan is not just a boy born in the streets of New York. He is a NBA ICON! He is considered by many the greatest player to ever step on a basketball court. He was a force to be reckoned with on both sides of the floor.

Isn't there a coined phrase for this? I wanna be like Mike. Why have a phrase if you dont want people to follow? I have always disliked Jordan. I didnt like him very much because his Bulls ended my Lakers dynasty in '91 but he revolutionized the game. You cant take that away from him. He made professional basketball the Juggernaut it is today. He appeared on hundereds of magazines, people raved about his game, he won six titles, and could score at will and defend anyone. He was the complete package. People are GOING to follow his lead whether you like it or not.

It seems to me that people are singling out Kobe Bryant just just because he has been so successful playing like Mike. There have been many others before Kobe coined "BABY JORDAN" and no one ever was upset! Why? Because they never came close to the LEGENDARY JORDAN. Jordan the untouchable. Now that Kobe seems to be on Jordans heels, everyone hates him for that? Now that there is a person who can actually dominate the ball on both sides of the court the way Jordan did, Jordan fans are upset. Kobe is good. So good, its scary. 1st Team NBA. 1st team Defense in the same year! Scary! Kobe Haters: "You cant do that! Only Jordan Can!" Right? So people come up with excuses to discredit him.

Can you imagine if no one wanted to be like Mike? How many basketball fans would Jordan have? Not nearly as many as he has now. How many people would buy his shoes? His books? I see kids everyday practicing their fadeaway jumpers, reverse layups, freethrows, etc just the way Jordan did it back in the days. You can't deny his impact. Jordan is part of the game now. He is no longer just an individual star. He is part of the game of basketball. Learn to accept it. There will be others like him, whether you like it or not...

 

Kobe plays with a style like MJ did, but he has improved it, pretty much. He's so hardworking. Like I'm heard, he practises from one shooting spot 2-3 hours every day and next day takes another spot etc. He's sick. I think that if he would have a great player beside him like MJ had Pippen and guy like Rodman and punch of good role players like Jordan, we would get 3-4 rings pretty easy. They would play the triangle and Kobe is very sick clutch player and team leader.


Kobe's pretty much like Jordan, but better. Ofcourse MJ in the 90's was his own class...

MJ is the best in the history, but if Kobe would have the same team - rings will come !

 

The Answer to this questions will be given when KOBE RETIRES.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't bring up LeBron, because he's an exception.</div>
....oh ok-- im sorry.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe's pretty much like Jordan, but better. Ofcourse MJ in the 90's was his own class...

MJ is the best in the history, but if Kobe would have the same team - rings will come !
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One of the more ridiculous comments made on here. You dont think Jordan wouldnt win rings with Shaq? You dont think Jordan would make the playoffs with Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, Atkins and whoever else they Lakers signed on that chump team? You dont think Jordan could average 35 pts shooting <u>50%</u> with all the rule changes made today? Then homie, you just aint thinkin.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jordan is a hero of yours. Am I right? Hero's will be imitated. Kobe just happens to do it best. If your going to imitate a player, at least do it right? Right?</div>
Are you serious? Everybody in sports should be imitating someone else, and not only should it be accepted, but encouraged and congratulated. ...

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It seems to me that people are singling out Kobe Bryant just just because he has been so successful playing like Mike. There have been many others before Kobe coined "BABY JORDAN" and no one ever was upset! Why? Because they never came close to the LEGENDARY JORDAN.</div>
Because none of these other guys have been recorded in public attempting to recreate the mans voice tone in interviews. None of these other guys put a ridiculous amount of effort into copying every nuance about the man's game then when asked about the comparison would offer " no, really, <u>we are totally different players</u>, we play nothing alike"


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">...Why can't we compare last season?</div>
Sure, what about last season? Kobe: 27.6 ppg .433 fg% 5.9reb 6.0 ast 4.09to-- Hell ill even give you this season. Jordan has had about 6 years better than that individually: statistically better, taking his team further in the playoffs, MVP awards Defensive player of the year All Defense 1st Team All NBA 1st team every year , never less than 2.28 steals and .482 fg% during these seasons.
As far as Kobe this year, you never wondered about why so many players we're having career years this season? Pippen had an article on NBA.com, yall should read it. - basically implying that the increased foul calls and rule changes have made this leauge much easier to score in.-- and yes that applies to Kobe as well.


PS: I got a lotta mo I got a lotta mo about this

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIRTIGHT:</div><div class="quote_post">
Are you serious? Everybody in sports should be imitating someone else, and not only should it be accepted, but encouraged and congratulated. ...
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Yes Im serious. I never once mentioned it should be encouraged. It doesnt have to be encouraged. It just is. Every sport known to man has players who are looked upon as great and are followed. Whats funny is its people like you who complain about Kobe imitating Jordan. If it as such an issue, why doesnt Jordan tell him to stop copyin his style? Who makes you GOD to tell someone not to play like someone else? As long as Jordan doesnt come out in the open and say, "HEY, Stop playin like me" I dont see a problem.

Its a free country buddy. Where are you from?


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Sure, what about last season? Kobe: 27.6 ppg .433 fg% 5.9reb 6.0 ast 4.09to-- Hell ill even give you this season. Jordan has had about 6 years better than that individually: statistically better, taking his team further in the playoffs, MVP awards Defensive player of the year All Defense 1st Team All NBA 1st team every year , never less than 2.28 steals and .482 fg% during these seasons. </div>

Last season Kobe became the franchise. Thats the difference. Before that, Shaq was the center of the offense, not Kobe. Remember that.

 

Yeah. Me too. There have been so many professional athletes who have made huge mistakes in their careers and are still not hated as much as Kobe Bryant. Kobe must be the man!

 

I see yall ducked most, if not all of the points I brought out in my last post.

.....Yall sound like yall are in a cult or somethin with all that nonsense

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">
Nobody expected Kobe to even be a star in this league. Especially with Shaq, Eddie Jones, and Nick Van Exel ahead of him.
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How can you say that about a guy who (a) was a first round lottery pick coming out of high school (in 1996) and ( was selected as a starter on the allstar team in just his second year despite not being a starter for his own team?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIRTIGHT:</div><div class="quote_post">I see yall ducked most, if not all of the points I brought out in my last post.

.....Yall sound like yall are in a cult or somethin with all that nonsense</div>

Sounds a bit familar doesnt it. you been duckin my comments since day one. I've made so many and you've dodged the ones I've posted.

Im done with you man. Raise your basketball IQ and we can talk again.

 

OK jordan is jordan and kobe is kobe. i hate these debates because no one will ever listen to the other side. Jordan IS a better defender, and Jordan Is a better scorer, look at the stats because you cant use shaq as an excuse because kobe has to average like 33-35 something points for the rest of his career to get his scoring average near Jordan. I love watching Kobe play this year. He is simply amazing and one of my favorite players, but watch jordan, he was unbeivable every single night.

and please name one thing kobe is better at than jordan besides 3's which is debatedable because if jordan's team needed him to hit threes he did. He willed himself to do whatever it took to win. KObe looked like that but unless he keeps it going till he retires, he wont be close to jordan

 

...let me argue your case for a second

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">One of the more ridiculous comments made on here. You dont think Jordan wouldnt win rings with Shaq? You dont think Jordan would make the playoffs with Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, Atkins and whoever else they Lakers signed on that chump team? You dont think Jordan could average 35 pts shooting <u>50%</u> with all the rule changes made today?Then homie, you just aint thinkin.</div>
Yes, Jordan would win rings with Shaq, he would get the Lakers to the playoff, and yes he might shoot over 50% BUT he wouldn't be as dominant as he is and for sure he won't win as many mvps, scoring titles, or final mvp. As much as you hate it, the NBA is still a big man game and most GMs/players/coaches would choose Shaq over MJ in their prime.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Because none of these other guys have been recorded in public attempting to recreate the mans voice tone in interviews. None of these other guys put a ridiculous amount of effort into copying every nuance about the man's game then when asked about the comparison would offer " no, really, <u>we are totally different players</u>, we play nothing alike[/B]" </div>
haha, I know what you saying. Yeah, Kobe acts like Jordan, plays like him, wins like him, so that's why people compare him to MJ.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sure, what about last season? Kobe: 27.6 ppg .433 fg% 5.9reb 6.0 ast 4.09to-- Hell ill even give you this season. Jordan has had about 6 years better than that individually: statistically better, taking his team further in the playoffs, MVP awards Defensive player of the year All Defense 1st Team All NBA 1st team every year , never less than 2.28 steals and .482 fg% during these seasons.</div>
Last season was argubly the worse season for Kobe because he suffered a severe injury which caused him to miss a lot of games, so you can't really take his game from last year to compare with Jordan's great years. Well, how about compare that year with Jordan's Wizard? haha Nah Jordan only had 2 years where he averages over 35ppg in his entire career, and Kobe's career still isn't over yet. It's too early to tell. Jordan had better stat in his career because he was the "MAN" throughout his career whenever Kobe just became the "MAN" only these past 2 years. Then again, it would be fair to compare Kobe at 22 years old & up since he was a HSchooler when he came into the NBA and Jordan came at the age of 22. BIG DIFFERENT!

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As far as Kobe this year, you never wondered about why so many players we're having career years this season? Pippen had an article on NBA.com, yall should read it. - basically implying that the increased foul calls and rule changes have made this leauge much easier to score in.-- and yes that applies to Kobe as well.</div>
I read it before and he was right on a lot of things in his article. However if you think about it, even Pippen admitted, that his defense wouldn't be as good if today a handcheck considers a foul. So with that being say, score might be easier but playing defense is harder than ever. So if MJ is play in today game, his offense will be great but his defense will be "so so". It balances out eventually, therefore you can't take what players today accomplished because of the "handcheck rule" or questionable foul calls because if you watch the old Bulls, Jordan gets away with it like crazy. Also back in Jordan's era, there is no zone defense.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">OK jordan is jordan and kobe is kobe. i hate these debates because no one will ever listen to the other side. Jordan IS a better defender, and Jordan Is a better scorer, look at the stats because you cant use shaq as an excuse because kobe has to average like 33-35 something points for the rest of his career to get his scoring average near Jordan. I love watching Kobe play this year. He is simply amazing and one of my favorite players, but watch jordan, he was unbeivable every single night.</div>
Eh...Jordan might be a better defender but I'm not sure about better scorer though. Kobe can put up 62 pts in 3 quarters, 81 pts game, phewww I don't know about that though. Then again, you can't really look at stat to compare the two because of the "Shaq factor" in Kobe's case. I agree Jordan was amazing, so as Kobe. You can't predict how many points Kobe will put up in a game, that is very amazing.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and please name one thing kobe is better at than jordan besides 3's which is debatedable because if jordan's team needed him to hit threes he did. He willed himself to do whatever it took to win. KObe looked like that but unless he keeps it going till he retires, he wont be close to jordan</div>
Let me ask you a reverse question, "Beside the Jordan's accomplishments, name 3 things Jordan does better than Kobe?" Forget about MJ defensive game because the handcheck rule back then doens't apply now.

I can name you 3 things that Kobe can do better than Jordan on the court
1) Kobe's game isn't just on the mid-range like MJ; his game can be on the mid-range, at the 3-point line, and heck even half court (did you see Kobe makes the 3 at halfcourt with just 1 attempt at the ASG?)

2) Kobe is a better ball handler or dribbler

3) Kobe shoots better at the free-throw line, 3-points line.

dunk, finish, steal, determination, scoring, playing defense, I put them about equal. So talent wise, Kobe definitely can match MJ. It's the MJ's accomplishment that people bring up to discredit kobe comparation to MJ.

 

Nice post 4 life. Aight, I got some stuff I wrote a page or 2 ago, you can find posts from other members relating.

Wade played with Eddie Jones and Caron Butler his rookie year and Jones the year after. -wether he played with or instead of Jones; they made sure he played. This of course is not the point, we're talking about Kobe, and all yall are talking about are excuses. It was Kobe's decision to come in at 18, nobody else's. You guys are over here talking about Kobe came in at the tender age of 18 so comparisons with magic(19) or Jordan or Wade or anybody else who outplayed him in their rookie season are 'unfair'.----> Then I ask about James who was drafted younger than Kobe, and you give me ' well it had to do with his draft position, and cuz he was bigger'. We compare Jordan's first 8 or 9 yrs / Mcgrady's first 8 / Wade's and Bron's first 3/ Bird and Magic's first 9-10 with Kobe - and yall tell me " well he had shaq- which disrupted the triangle for Kobe, and well he was just learning to be a leader-- plus you know he never went to college, and so on.. and so on.....". ------->>> Like there has been this uniquely arduous existence for Kobe that only he has gone thru in the NBA. Alright lemme ask yall--- when is it a good time to compare Kobe with other people? Outline a set of seasons ; or if you want, a few games of those seasons, where you felt things were sufficiently "fair" that other players be allowed to be compared with Kobe,-- times where Kobe was ‘ready’ to be subject to the same treatment as everyone else in the league- as he has obviously walked a road according to yall that noone else can identify with, and it wouldn’t be appropriate to compare him with anybody who hadnt experienced the exact same circumstances as him throughout their career. --

Lemme ask yall again, esp Mamba, "Why shouldnt we compare Kobe's numbers from the Shaq years with any of Jordan's?"

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Let me ask you a reverse question, "Beside the Jordan's accomplishments, name 3 things Jordan does better than Kobe?" Forget about MJ defensive game because the handcheck rule back then doens't apply now.

I can name you 3 things that Kobe can do better than Jordan on the court
1) Kobe's game isn't just on the mid-range like MJ; his game can be on the mid-range, at the 3-point line, and heck even half court (did you see Kobe makes the 3 at halfcourt with just 1 attempt at the ASG?)

2) Kobe is a better ball handler or dribbler

3) Kobe shoots better at the free-throw line, 3-points line.

dunk, finish, steal, determination, scoring, playing defense, I put them about equal. So talent wise, Kobe definitely can match MJ. It's the MJ's accomplishment that people bring up to discredit kobe comparation to MJ.</div>

Good points and yes i saw that shot, it was sweet!
1. MJ could finish much better around the rim

2.kobe is a better ball handler i will give u that

3.kobe is more consistent a 3-point shooter, but like i said when his team needed it mj hit 3's. (remeber cliff robinson, a like 6'11'' i think, know for his shot blocking btw)

and for your reverse question

1.Mj was a much better finisher. Mj could and would dunk on anybody, as well do a rediculous layup in traffic to score.

2.Clutch wise kobe is great; Mj is better

3.passing, MJ was an amazing passer

4.Determination isn't even close. MJ scored like 50 something with a back so bad he was carried from the locker to the court. This guy could will a bucket any time he wanted to.

5.MJ was a better scorer, i dont care about those two games, the rule changes do have something to do with it (not to take a single thing from kobe's accomplishments this year). Mj would score at will with the likes of scottie pippen on his team. Kobe now scores almost at will with lamar on his team. MJ had another guy scoring 20 some a game while kobe has an extremely inconsistent 15ppg scorer.

Alright and another point is that MJ beat absolute legends in the 80's and 90's. His team took down the pistons of the late 80's. He score 63(i think) his rookie year in the playoffs against the CELTICS! He beat Hakeem, Charles, Stockton, Malone, and everbody else in that era. This point isn't a rip on Kobe it is just an example of how great jordan was.