Kobes 81 or Wilts 100?

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  1. Opal

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    No way to debate this, you'd have to see Wilts game IMO.
     
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    I dont know...Its kinda hard to decide. I think that its easier for a man of Wilt's size to dominant games back then, as compared to a guy like Kobe dominating a game like he did. He was so much bigger and stronger than everybody that it was IMO, easier for him to dominate the game. I think that it would help if I could see the game footage, but IMO, I think Kobes is more impressive. I just think its harder coming from a guard.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Mar 21 2007, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont know...Its kinda hard to decide. I think that its easier for a man of Wilt's size to dominant games back then, as compared to a guy like Kobe dominating a game like he did. He was so much bigger and stronger than everybody that it was IMO, easier for him to dominate the game. I think that it would help if I could see the game footage, but IMO, I think Kobes is more impressive. I just think its harder coming from a guard.</div>I completely agree with every word.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Mar 19 2007, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There were a lot more. Just Wilt and Russ were the most well-known.</div>if by "a lot more" you mean 2, you are correct. Walter Dukes and Mel Counts were the only other seven footers in the league for a while.As for my opinion on this, it has to go to Kobe:Wilt was being guarded by 6'7" 210 lb Cleveland Buckner for the majority of the game. He was fed the ball every play, taking far more shots than Kobe and scoring a lower percentageHe was kept in the game during a blowout, whereas Kobe brought his team back from a 15 point deficit.In other words, Kobe's points mattered, and he played against marginally better defense. And played in a slower paced game.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Wilt was being guarded by 6'7" 210 lb Cleveland Buckner for the majority of the game.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But I did some research, and it seems that the starting center for the NY Knicks then was only 6'5...they had taller players, but they didnt play much.</div>That's two people who both said different guys were guarding him, I'm going to say both of you are incorrect. I'm almost 100% sure Darrall Imhoff was guarding Wilt for most of the game. Cleveland Buckner did help out when Imhoff got into foul trouble but Imhoff was the starting center and played Wilt the most aggressively.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Many people consider Bryant?s performance as ?selfish, or egotistical? when they compare his game to that of Chamberlains. But that is not the case; when Bryant began his tear, the Lakers trailed the Raptors by nearly 20 points. Bryant also shot well above 50%, going 26 for 48. The rest of Bryant?s team went 14 for 42, for a shoot percentage of just 33%. Bryant?s 26 for 48 was good for 54%. Or in lame men terms, the rest of the Lakers made just 1 out of ever 3 shots they took, Bryant made 1 out of every 2 he took. In Chamberlains 100 point game, the big dipper went 36 for 63 from the field, or 57%. Chamberlains 57% isn?t that dissimilar from Bryant?s 54%. The biggest offensive difference between the two games, is that Chamberlain attempted, 32 free throws to Bryant?s 20. Bryant made 18 out of his 20(90%), while Chamberlain made 28 out of his 32(87%).Comparing Bryant?s 81 point game to Wilts 100 point game may be hard to do, since Chamberlain played in the paint, he didn?t have a three-point line, and he was also expected to rebound its safe to say that Chamberlain had a harder job then Bryant. But at the same time, one could use the argument that Bryant?s 81 is a greater feat, because he played against superior talent, and Bryant had to earn a lot of his points from a further distance.However upon closer inspection, you notice that Bryant had many lay-ups and dunks. If you where to use a mathematical formula, these ?easy-points? would erase each other. Upon doing this, you realize that no matter the age in which the feat was accomplished, the feat in none-the-less spectacular.In my opinion, the performance given by Wilt Chamberlain is the greater performance of the two. I base this on the fact that Chamberlain?s performance was over an entire game, from start to finish. Bryant?s however was a last ditch desperate attempted to prevent his team from getting blown out. Had Bryant missed a few of his early shots, chances are his spectacular event in NBA history would have never taken place. Chamberlain, though was expected to deliver a big performance, and did. Both games were out of reach for their opponents when both mean accomplished their feats, and both probably did a bit of stat padding towards the end. But this doesn?t discredit either performance.</div>
     
  6. Memphology

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    Looked it up, 6'9 210 pound Cleveland Buckner guarded him, Wilt Chamberlain, 7'1 and 260 had a far better advantage. And even though Kobe got bunches of dunks and layups...he still hit harder shots than Wilt probably did. Wilt wasnt known for a jumpshot by no means.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Mar 21 2007, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Looked it up, 6'9 210 pound Cleveland Buckner guarded him, Wilt Chamberlain, 7'1 and 260 had a far better advantage. And even though Kobe got bunches of dunks and layups...he still hit harder shots than Wilt probably did. Wilt wasnt known for a jumpshot by no means.</div>""Darrall Imhoff gets the brunt of it for letting me score 100 points, but everybody was guarding me"- Wilt Chamberlain.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Wilt was being guarded by 6'7" 210 lb Cleveland Buckner for the majority of the game. He was fed the ball every play, taking far more shots than Kobe and scoring a lower percentage</div>He was 6'9...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Mar 21 2007, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's two people who both said different guys were guarding him, I'm going to say both of you are incorrect. I'm almost 100% sure Darrall Imhoff was guarding Wilt for most of the game. Cleveland Buckner did help out when Imhoff got into foul trouble but Imhoff was the starting center and played Wilt the most aggressively.</div>http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/wilt/box.htmlread it and weep.buckner played 33 minutes, imhoff played 20
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Cleveland Buckner did help out when Imhoff got into foul trouble but Imhoff was the starting center and played Wilt the most aggressively.</div>
     
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    actually your right, the site I read it from said Cleveland Buckner, but his name was Cleveland Butler...not a reliable source :brickwall: I still think Kobes was more impressive.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Cleveland Buckner did help out when Imhoff got into foul trouble but Imhoff was the starting center and played Wilt the most aggressively.</div>maybe "most aggressively", but for a tiny amount of the game. While your phrase was technically not incorrect, its sentiment wasand you omit this part of the post, which is a fallacy<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That's two people who both said different guys were guarding him, I'm going to say both of you are incorrect. I'm almost 100% sure Darrall Imhoff was guarding Wilt for most of the game.</div>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Mar 21 2007, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>maybe "most aggressively", but for a tiny amount of the game. While your phrase was technically not incorrect, its sentiment was</div>I wouldn't say 20 minutes is a tiny amount of the game, he got into early foul trouble which is why Buckner helped out. Buckner may have played more, but Imhoff was the main guy guarding Wilt. That's exactly why Wilt singled him out.
     
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    [​IMG]shot chart...he was 7-13 from the 3, thats impressive in itself. Kobes shots were more difficult than Wilts...I couldnt find a shot chart for him, but you had to imagine that they came from 4 feet in, and of course free throws, which he and Kobe got alotve of.btw, the 8 means dunks and layups..atleast it said that from the site.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't say 20 minutes is a tiny amount of the game, he got into early foul trouble which is why Buckner helped out. Buckner may have played more, but Imhoff was the main guy guarding Wilt. That's exactly why Wilt singled him out.</div>BS, wilt was being double and/or triple teamed for 48 minutes, one guy for 20 minutes was not "the main guy guarding wilt"
     
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    You're not getting my point, it's obvious that a few guys were double/triple teaming Wilt. What I'm saying is that Imhoff was the one guarding him one on one for most of the time he was in the game.
     
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    But whats your arguement that Wilts was more impressive?
     
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    How about you guys give me 100 dollars, and I'll give you 81 dollars. I mean, 81 is apparently better than 100, right? :dribble:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Mar 21 2007, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about you guys give me 100 dollars, and I'll give you 81 dollars. I mean, 81 is apparently better than 100, right? :dribble:</div>It's not how much, it's how you get it.What is more impressive? Finding 100 dollers on the sidewalk by your house or finding 81 dollers on the ground in a desert in Egypt? You get my point? [​IMG]
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 21 2007, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's not how much, it's how you get it.What is more impressive? Finding 100 dollers on the sidewalk by your house or finding 81 dollers on the ground in a desert in Egypt? You get my point? [​IMG]</div>$100 is $100 no matter where you find it...
     
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    Wilt 100 against worse compertition / greg buckner scoring 120 points on 5 year kids or daujaun wagner scoring 100 in a high school game! lol.Kobe against better, 81 /earl boykins getting blocked 5 times while he's playing a pick up game against 7 year old kids at a local school.but yeh id take wilt cause it was, which makes no sense because I just wrote against that lol. cause im bored, sorry.
     

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