KP Did Nothing Again?

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  1. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    He wasn't my first choice, but he wasn't a bad choice. I'd rather have him on this team right now than not have him, if for no other reason than he's a reasonably valuable asset if we need to pull off a trade. By "reasonably valuable," I don't mean he'd be anybody's grand prize in a trade, but you could throw him in to make salaries match and most trade partners would consider his actual skillset a plus in the deal.

    But even trade value aside, Miller is finally being allowed to tap his real value on our roster. He's really shown that he can indeed play well beside Roy when used properly.
     
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    exactly who did he pass on?

    of course I'm not happy about the injuries the club has sustained (who is?), but I sure do like the talent that they currently have under contract. I'd like the club to be in the position to resign Rudy Greg Nic and Bayless should they choose and I don't expect PA's wallet to absorb $$$ deep into the lux tax... they've indicated that they won't. Greg will be up for extension offer this next offseason, the others in 2011

    any trade would have to make sense in the big picture where the talent both fits and matures on about the same timeline as the rest of the core.

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  3. Crimson the Cat

    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe this. Pritchard is very responsible. Who's the person that gave us the depth that's keeping this boat afloat? Who selected two college seniors from established programs with skill sets that we needed? Who brought Juwan Howard and Andre Miller to the team? Who didn't give up on Webster, Bayless? Who has brought players to the team that compliment Brandon?

    Pritchard drafted or signed (with the exception of Webster) the players that are on the court winning these games.

    Also, Pritchard's very responsible for the successful atmosphere surrounding this team over the past few seasons. It's this "culture" that almost acts as a sixth man and breeds winning. Whether it's in free agency, through trade, or via the draft, a certain mentality, versatility, and dedication is targeted to bring into this team.

    It's a joke if you don't think Pritchard is a huge reason why this team is winning despite the injuries and youth.

    Lazy? Whatever. Because the incoming players or end results aren't up to your standards, he's now lazy. Ok.

    I mean, there couldn't be other reasons other than laziness.

    And, as far as me asking what deals Pritchard's detractors have in mind, it's a more than fair question. If you're pissed about KP's inaction, then explain the alternative decisions you wished he would've made. It's simple to say you want a superstar, an impact player, a starting this or that, but how are you going to get it. And when you ask that question, you'll possibly realize that it's not as simple as merely wishing on a star. It takes another team or two to seal the deal. There are restrictions of the CBA. There are own principles and guidelines for the type of incoming players targeted. There's fiscal responsibility. And, of course, there's cost of outgoing talent.

    So, I ask, you want change. What did you have in mind? The best realistic option I've come up with would've been Vince Carter last summer. In the end, given his age and salary, it would have been too big of risk for a team not ready to contend yet.
     
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    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    I'd have preferred David Lee as well, but it wasn't possible. He was a restricted free agent. See Paul Milsap. New York would have matched. A trade could have been done but complicated with his newly BYC status. If I remember the numbers, if the asking price was Outlaw or Blake, the deal could be sealed. They wanted Rudy Fernandez as well as one of those pieces I believe was the rumor talked about. That's too steep IMO.
     
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    Pritchard is in the stands watching McMillan win with the players that he, Pritchard, assembled, yes. I do think Pritchard had something to do with Portland having these players. It's a pretty impressive feat to have enough good players on the roster that the team can keep succeeding even without so many planned rotation players.

    Unless you feel McMillan is such a coaching genius that he could do this with any random people off the street, so player talent isn't relevant. If so, you have a much higher opinion of McMillan than I do.
     
  6. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    If the price really was Rudy, it looks a lot better right now than it did at the time. Man, if we had David Lee right now we'd have a pretty damned good team.
     
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    Just out of hypotheticals and "rumors"

    Devin Harris (and maybe Bass as well?) for Jack, Outlaw and Frye. Obviously we couldn't then trade Jack for Bayless, so we'd only have Harris as our PG. :(

    VC and Ager for RLEC and Frye. Got nixed by the Blazers b/c Nets wouldn't pack in their 2011 GSW pick.
    Other variations of this were VC and Douglas-Roberts for RLEC, Sergio and Outlaw. But the Nets didn't want that one.

    So we could have a lineup of:

    Harris/Sergio/Mills --no cap room to sign Miller, so we didn't need to trade Sergio for the right to swap 2nds.
    Roy/Rudy
    VC/Webster/Batum
    LMA/JP/(maybe Bass as well?)
    Oden/Przy

    Maybe you like our team better now...that's cool. Or maybe you don't. But deals have (reportedly) been there.
     
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    You traded Frye twice. I don't think that is allowed. Also, where is Blake?
     
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    Nice lineup, but the price tag for that group in the 2010-11 season would be around $75 million (assuming Joel doesn't opt out this summer). Then you'd be looking at significant raises for Oden and Joel the following year. Factor in luxury tax payments, and you're spending PA's money pretty quickly.

    The the problem with many of the complaints I see about the Blazers not having spent RLEC's money on a big-time FA is that they don't factor in economic realities. I think PA was willing to break the bank on somebody the likes of Kobe if that could have been worked out, but when Miles and Memphis screwed that up, spending that much money on a guy on the down side of his career like VC just doesn't make sense, IMO.
     
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    Actually KP did sign Webster to an extension so this is his team. :sherlock:
     
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    Doh! I was thinking drafted (technically he was onboard with the team, but I believe that was a Patternash decision.
     
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    We've argued this before. From that article, it's stated that the Nets wanted a stud young player. Doesn't it seem more likely that the deal got nixed because the Nets preferred receiving Harris rather than any young player we had. It does to me, and it's intimated in the article itself.

    Nothing from that article shows Pritchard passed up a deal. It does the exact opposite. The deal did go down between the other two teams, which to me, shows that NJ in fact got what they wanted, the best young player out of the deal. Portland got left out.
     
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    I could drum up an article that rumored that NJ was wanting one of Rudy or Batum I believe. I remember reading that. We just don't know, so we can't bandy about what we could have had and know with certainty.

    If that indeed was the deal, I probably would have gone ahead. The money is atrocious and they come at the tail end of his career, but I might do it. Might. Then again, paying such money for a player that's obviously not producing anywhere close to his salary and taking a way developmental minutes from Batum and Webster doesn't seem very ideal. Either way, I can see the logic in turning the deal down.
     
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    i love of the title of this thread.... "kp did nothing again"

    no shit... as kpee prepares for the lotto. his time to shine. durant looks great in blazer colors.









    i mean thunder colors.
     
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    Oh gimme a fucking break.

    Nobody looks good in those Thunder colors.
     
  16. RoyToy

    RoyToy Clown Town

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    K-PEE couldn't trade a hot fudge sundae to a 6 year old for broccoli.

    Well why would KPEE want to trade for broccoli when he has a hot fudge sundae? The 6 year old needs to come up with a better offer than that.

    Checkmate. Learn the game, then post.
     
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    thats my point... the 6 year old would reject him cause he is so bad at dealing


    and stop stealing kingspeeds lines
     
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    RoyToy Clown Town

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    Just admit your sig makes no sense and you fooled yourself.

    Learn the game, then post.
     
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    Fixed it for you.
     
  20. Crimson the Cat

    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    Well, it's a play on your words.
     

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