LA gone before or on draft day

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    It's not all the players. They are just available assets. I can't give a scenario because I don't know who's available.

    If there is a team with a disgruntled guard; than Matthews and batum is plenty.
     
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    not my hope at all. Just saying presenting it as Claver and Leonard for an all star is a bit disingenuous
     
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    Wow, I guess it really is a slow news day.
     
  4. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    It was also a lot sarcastic, but I meant what I said in post 80
     
  5. RR7

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    Pau Gasol traded for expirings, 2 late firsts, and rights to a second rounder, to fit description. Could be disgruntled player, could be a team needing to rebuild and dump salary, especially under a new CBA.
    You seem to want specifics of who we can fill in for LMA, give specifics of which contender LMA is going to sign with, and what free aents we're going to put around our core of
    Lillard/Wes/Batum/Thompson/Len to make us a legit title contender.
     
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    BoBoBREWSKI BURP!

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    I agree. No substance.
     
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    Also, the Carmelo deal can be similar. Gallinari as the centerpiece(Batum), expirings, Chandler is comparable to Wes, future pick, Mozgov, with Leonard as a younger/better prospect.
     
  8. OregonHuskerMan

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    I'd trade LMA for Favors/Hayward/14 in a heartbeat.
     
  9. Mediocre Man

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    Was that bashed by someone? If so, they should have a 2 year ban
     
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    I said it earlier in the year, and plenty of people said that it wasn't "enough" and that Favors was nothing spectacular, if I recall correctly. (At the time, we didn't know the 14th pick would be Jazz, but thats obviously not the biggest part of the deal)
     
  11. illmatic99

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    I don't think NO can convince PA to trade LA and take a step back in the short term. I don't think he'll even try to as his job security will come into question.
     
  12. BrianFromWA

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    Fair enough, that's a historical. It's one that was completely dogged at the time because there were GMs who came out on the record saying they would've offered more, but let's go with it. First, we can't offer 2 1sts. Second, we have no expiring contracts until next year, and they're Wes and LMA and Freeland. So if you're saying we can get a 28 y/o disgruntled All-Star who wasn't staying with the team who drafted him once he became a FA (sound familiar?) with Batum, Leonard, a 2018 1st and Kostas, then you've made your case on the best strategy going forward. Lillard/Wes/(SF?)/LMA/(defensive C) with Claver, 2014 MLE, #10 and whoever the All-Star is. Hopefully he's a SF or SG or defensive big.
    Personally, with what I'd get out of an LMA trade (ending up with #1, #10, #19 and Thompson) I can think of a few scenarios that have at least as good a chance of being a contender in the next 4 years than your "disgruntled all-star lineup" above.
    Lillard/Oladipo/Batum/Thompson/Bynum@15M (with a bench of Wes, Claver, Leonard, #10--maybe Zeller?)
    Lillard/McCollum/Batum/Thompson/Noel (with a bench of Wes, Claver, Leonard and 15M in cap space for, say, Tyreke or Redick or a lopsided trade for a disgruntled all-star ;) )--and potentially a lotto pick next year
    Lillard/Wes/Batum/Thomson/Len (with a bench of Shabazz, Claver, Leonard and 15M in cap space for, say, Millsap or Jefferson or a lopsided trade for a disgruntled all-star ;) )

    For me, it's about assets and strategy and trying to win championships. Can't even allow the possibility of talent walking out the door for nothing.
     
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    I completely disagree. The league is stacked with PFs and so LMA is the easiest player to replace. There is nearly zero SG talent in the league, so replacing Wes would be very tough - especially with someone who is better. Same goes for Nic, to a lesser degree. There's not a ton of SF talent - certainly more than SG - and Nic is already ~Top 5 at the position.
    Package both of them for the fabled "disgruntled star" and you might upgrade one position while downgrading at the other. Never mind the fact that typically disgruntled stars tend to force their way to teams they WANT to play for.

    The big secret is...they're NOT great players. They're average players playing within a great system. It's why I'd be very leery of ever trading with the Spurs - the player you get from them won't be 80% of whatever they showed while playing for the Spurs.
     
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    That's not my case for the best strategy going forward, as I already stated. I wa giving you an example that you asked for from Mags. You can feel free to attribute that strategy to me if you want, though, if it works better for you as an example to throw into your get rid of LMA posts.
    And no, it doesn't "sound familiar" except to you. He's apparently 3/4ths of the way out the door. When you include that in every scenario, then it sure makes it easier to see. For you. Where's he going to walk to?
     
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    as for your question about "contender LMA will sign with"...it doesn't necessarily need to be a contender. DAL has 0 dollars committed to July 2015. SAS? 0 dollars committed. HOU has Harden's 15M, and that's it. OKC has 54M committed with Durant, RW and Ibaka, and that's it.

    That's just the 3 teams closest to home.
     
  16. EL PRESIDENTE

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    Not with LA's skillset. He's the highest scoring PF in the league. IMO, wing players are easier to get...there are a shortage of good big men in the league. And when you look at it, LA is an elite PF while Wes and Nic are average wing players.
     
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    I think he's 100% out the door, not 3/4. I get that you don't, and that's fine. If I'm wrong, we have a bunch of assets instead of a UFA All-Star. If you're wrong, we are 100% screwed.
     
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    So he's absolutely certain to leave here, because he wants to play for a contender, BUT.....he'll leave here to take less money for a team not a contender. Makes absolute perfect sense. Guess he is gone. Trade him.
     
  19. BrianFromWA

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    See? My work here is done. Knew it would just take being patient and logical.

    EDIT: I didn't say he wanted to leave to "play for a contender". The strawman that people seem to be bringing up for his reason for staying is "IF WE BUILD A CONTENDER HE'LL STAY!" Personally, I don't think that's true, but it's closer than if we didn't. And I don't think we can, and no one yet has shown me how it could IF it could.
     
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    Asked in a different thread, if we had to swap rosters with one of them, which team would you swap with right now, Cleveland, Utah, or Denver?
     

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