LA gone before or on draft day

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  1. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    The thing about conversations like this is that we're all on the outside guessing about what people's thinking about the future may be. Do you really think that LMA and NO haven't had some pretty extensive conversations about this and that is factored in when making decisions about the draft and prospective trades? It sounded pretty clear to me in an interview that LMA gave during this season that he had been told that the Blazers weren't going to trade him, that the plan was to make moves this summer to be decent and to finish up next summer, after which the Blazers plan on being "good" going forward. I don't have a link to the interview, but it sure sounded to me like LMA was on board with the program. Obviously, things can change quickly in the NBA, but I don't think that the "trade LMA" discussions are much more than messageboard fodder at this point.
     
  2. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Remember that there was an Exit Interview. And I highly doubt that Olshey hasn't done at least the level of analysis of assets going forward that we have. He just doesn't have the baggage of LMA being his favorite player.
     
  3. blue9

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    I disagree with this so strongly I couldn't overstate it - especially the bolded section. The PF position is probably the deepest position in the league, and is absolutely the worst position to build around.
    Name 14 better SGs than Wes.
    Name 14 better SFs than Nic.
     
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    This is an easy one for me. I'd pick Utah EASILY
     
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    Nowhere near my favorite player.

    I just don't see a "collection of assets" putting us over the top unless you want to atttribute their absolute best case scenarios for them, and worst case for everything else, which is what you do. It seems, especially getting half those assets from this draft, that you're landing 3-4 players that seems AT BEST a 2nd or 3rd banana on a contender. All the while hoping for that true stud next year.
     
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    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    define "better"
     
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    So...he just wants to play for a team close to where he grew up?
     
  8. illmatic99

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    We focus way too much on positional depth in the whole NBA. It's more of a question of where the players rank overall regardless of position. We're looking for stars here. Who cares if PF is really deep? LA still is top 20 player in the league overall.

    I'd rather have the 20th and 70th best players rather than the 40th and 50th.
     
  9. BrianFromWA

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    Didn't say yours.

    LOL. OK. You are basing POR being a title contender on our current Core 4 plus the #10, an MLE and 11M in cap space for a defensive big. And that it's going to happen in the next two years. With the possibility that there may be a trade of "2 starters and 2 scrubs and a 2018 first for a disgruntled all-star". And I'm the one who attributes "absolute best case"? How many top 10 picks flame out completely? You think that whoever we pick #1, Thompson, whoever we pick number 10--added to Lillard, Wes and Batum and 15M in cap space, with maybe a lotto pick next year--is only a contender in the next 7 years in the "absolute best case"?

    Yet LMA, #10, the MLE and 11M on a defensive big is more than 3 or 4 2nd bananas?
     
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    Ha! Um, better at playing team-oriented basketball. My own preferences have fundamentals and intelligence trumping athleticism, but feel free to put athletic ability over skills and intelligence.
    Personally, I'd also leave off players like Paul Pierce and Ray Allen who are on their way out the door. The idea is to have players who'll play at a high level for several years.
     
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    Alright, you got me. He's staying in Portland forever in your mind. There's absolutely no chance that he'll buck the trend of almost every UFA all-star in the last 10 years and go somewhere other than where he was drafted. His Portland roots run deep.
     
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    Of those three? Not Denver. The other two are toss-ups. I don't know as much about Millsap/Jefferson/Kanter/Favors attitudes towards each other and how they play together, but I'd probably lean towards CLE because they have a bunch of cap room, tradable assets, good-to-great players on rookie contracts and multiple future firsts from other teams.

    If I was UTH's GM, I'd be losing at least one, and probably two starters for almost nothing. Hard to start with that. With CLE, I could find a taker for Varejao, put in bids for RFAs/UFAs this year, evaluate Waiters and Thompson for cheap, get multiple picks this draft and go into the future with something like:

    Irving/Waiters/Shabazz (trade with DAL for 13)/Thompson/Noel with (whoever I could get for Varejao), Gee, a re-signed Speights, Zeller and 20M+ in cap space and future firsts from SAC (top 10 protected), MEM and MIA.
     
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    I love your ability to have a discussion. Did I say he's 100% staying, like you insist he is 100% going? No. Again, you're free to present things however you like if you feel it somehow makes your presentation here better.
     
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    I'm sorry that I misrepresented you. But you can stop with the ad hominem attacks. If there is even the slightest chance that he leaves for absolutely nothing, how do you mitigate that?
     
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    Like was mentioned above, Neil knows LA's feelings on this much better than we do. Aldridge has no reason to lie to Neil just to be able to leave on his own, when that option is still there.
    I think what happened with Utah, where they held onto Deron until the deadline, and moved him for what was by then certain to be a good pick would be better than using him for picks in a crappy draft. I'd like my odds better at getting to the deadline and hoping that a struggling team would want to add him for their pick(ala Brooklyn for Deron) to increase the odds of it being a decent pick in a draft where there might actually be a superstar, over getting a pick where a guy would have to exceed all reasonable expectations to be that true superstar to get us to a title.
     
  16. blazerboy30

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    And to be clear, I'm not against or for trading LMA. It would depend on the proposed trade. But using the assumption that he's leaving in 2 years pushes in the direction of making an unfavorably lopsided trade out of fear.
     
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    15 guys not too old I'd take over Wes

    Harden
    Hayward
    Chandler
    Henderson
    Thornton
    L Williams
    Mayo
    Iggy
    DeRozen
    Redick
    Beal
    Brooks
    Thompson
    Ross
    Lamb


    and Nic
    James
    Durant
    Anthony
    Gay
    Smith
    George
    Gallinari
    Parsons
    Young
    Faried
    Kidd-Gilchrist
    Copeland
    K Leonard
    Ilyasova
    Harris

    Not all for the same reason, some are better, some are better defenders, some just have a far better contract for what they produce.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I'm in the same boat. Aldridge is obviously one of my favorite players, but if the deal is good, then I'm fine with the deal.
     
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    The Jazz have been an irrelevant franchise since trading Deron Williams. Their roster couldn't excite my any less.

    You never win when trading a star player. Trading Aldridge, a guy who has 5-6 more great years in him, is a terrible idea.
     
  20. blazerboy30

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    This is where your argument is flawed. Nobody else is making an assumption either way with regard to knowing he's leaving or staying. You're the one making an assumption and it would lead to making a bad trade out of fear of a faulty assumption.

    Unless, of course, you have insider knowledge, which hopefully our GM does.

    How many UFA All-stars have left Portland in the last half-decade?
     

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