<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BODY_COUNT:</div><div class="quote_post">It's not only about gettin your teammates open in the beggining of the game and then trying to do it all by yourself later in the game. It's about giving them confidence and having a good locker room atmosphere. Attitude wins games...I don't wanna use the cavs as an example again, but Lebron makes kids like Anderson Varejao & DeSagana Diop look like decent players...Put Lebron in with Lamar Odom, Caron Butler and a quick pg like chucky atkins and you'll see a team that gets a tons of steals per night and 100s of layups...I personally don't care about the lakers, so dont think I'm biased...If Kobe's teammates knew he had 100 percent confidence in them , they'd play much better...I like Kobe and his game, but I doubt he can be a good leader... RealDeal - i agree, the sonics have better shooters than the lakers...maybe that's why they won tonight, but still you have to admit the sonics' chemistry is much better and Kobe isn't doin much to improve in that area</div> How can Kobe have confidence in them when Odom cant even make a layup? I know I wouldnt have confidence in my team if they miss multiple wide open shots and simple layups. What is Kobe supposed to do? Pass the ball when the game is on the line, knowing his teammates wont make a shot? No, he is paid to take games over, and that is what he does in the 4th, its the other 3 quarters that kill the Lakers.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BODY_COUNT:</div><div class="quote_post">It's not only about gettin your teammates open in the beggining of the game and then trying to do it all by yourself later in the game. It's about giving them confidence and having a good locker room atmosphere. Attitude wins games...I don't wanna use the cavs as an example again, but Lebron makes kids like Anderson Varejao & DeSagana Diop look like decent players...Put Lebron in with Lamar Odom, Caron Butler and a quick pg like chucky atkins and you'll see a team that gets a tons of steals per night and 100s of layups...I personally don't care about the lakers, so dont think I'm biased...If Kobe's teammates knew he had 100 percent confidence in them , they'd play much better...I like Kobe and his game, but I doubt he can be a good leader...</div> Are you serious? Put Lebron in Kobe spot on the Lakers right now, he wouldn't be doing as good why? Lebron would have to handle the ball all the time, he would have to be the main playmaker, he would have to play the point guard sport cuz Atkins is a catch and shoot pg, he cant make plays, he cant do anything cept hit the three, and you already pushing it having Lebron play the 2 spot, he is in my eyes a small foward for his size and such. I would bet my life savings, truck, and computer that Lebron would not be doing as good a Kobe, Lebron has a great guard Mcinnis, and good roleplayers that come out on a consistent basis.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BODY_COUNT:</div><div class="quote_post">RealDeal - i agree, the sonics have better shooters than the lakers...maybe that's why they won tonight, but still you have to admit the sonics' chemistry is much better and Kobe isn't doin much to improve in that area</div> BODY_COUNT, don't get me wrong...I have alot of respect for Seattle. But don't you think them winning like this was long overdue? They've got chemistry...that's true...but they've been together for long enough to develop that chemistry. That's why you guys are able to beat the Spurs. The Lakers have no chemistry, especially as of late...with only one returning starter, a new coach, and a few returning Lakers...with Grant on the IR, and Vlade still suffering from an injury...I'd think we would be struggling. I'm still going to be angry that we are losing, but that's how it'll be for a while.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post"> No, he is paid to take games over, and that is what he does in the 4th, its the other 3 quarters that kill the Lakers.</div> Enjoy the rest of the "take over" season then, buddy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post"> The Lakers have no chemistry, especially as of late...with only one returning starter, a new coach, and a few returning Lakers...with Grant on the IR, and Vlade still suffering from an injury...I'd think we would be struggling. I'm still going to be angry that we are losing, but that's how it'll be for a while.</div> exactly my point, chemistry starts in the locker room...team atmosphere can affect players' performances and even though these players are paid to hit shots and win games , attitude is very important...Me personally, I never liked Lamar Odom's game and I think Caron Butler hasn't lived up to the expectations after his rookie season, but they are still good players and the question is - what does Kobe do after a night like tonight when they missed so many shots? Does he go and tell them "Everybody has a bad night" or does he give them a bad look. Think about that.
Its simple we dont need to touch anything we just need to get a decent point guard. I would love to have Bobby Jackson.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">I've got many more.</div> I could care less about those quotes, overall losses are still not being blamed on him. You are kind of taking the Kobe Bryant road...you proved me wrong on a single point but you are missing the big picture what really matters. Trading Lamar Odom is not going to make your team better. And it's funny how people will lose respect for a championship coach the minute that a team starts losing. Also, why are you talking about a trade after losing to a top team anyway? You guys lost to the Bulls....no excuse for that. Rudy is a good enough coach that there is no way you can blame that loss on him. Really, if you are going to blame a loss on someone, blame the team. I see a lot of people blaming the Lakers as a whole team, but it bothers me when they exclude Kobe, especially on a night when he shoots 6-23 but drops 35 because he got to the line a lot. Kobe is doing exactly what other stars have done in the past....actually shooting worse than a lot of them. They took the blame and he should too.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Billa_Bong:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you serious? Put Lebron in Kobe spot on the Lakers right now, he wouldn't be doing as good why? Lebron would have to handle the ball all the time, he would have to be the main playmaker, he would have to play the point guard sport cuz Atkins is a catch and shoot pg, he cant make plays, he cant do anything cept hit the three, and you already pushing it having Lebron play the 2 spot, he is in my eyes a small foward for his size and such. I would bet my life savings, truck, and computer that Lebron would not be doing as good a Kobe, Lebron has a great guard Mcinnis, and good roleplayers that come out on a consistent basis.</div> <strike>Sorry, but I can't take anything seriously from a guy who has Brian Cook listed as one of his favorite players.</strike> <font color="Red"><font size="1">Unnecessary comment. -Brandon</font></font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">Then what do you have to say about Ray Allen, who seemed to have put up the same number of assists, less rebounds, less points and around the same shooting percentage as the great Kobe? Let's face it, Ray is more like McGrady than he is LeBron and MJ, he simply doesn't make his teammates better, it's as simple as that.</div> I understand your comment here because his comments were uneccesary, but Ray actually said at the beginning of the year that he's realized that him handling the ball less is better for the team, so he's going to try to make himself less of a ball handler. In the 5 games I've watched Seattle play I've seen him do that, so he's not going to rack up assists without having the ball in his hands as a distributor. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Billa_Bong":</div><div class="quote_post">Wade was under developed in his rookie year and isnt the Wade we saw last year, and Jones isnt great he is turning into a role player. Odom led that team to the play offs weather you like it or not, Wade was a rookie pg who didnt get many oppurtunities accept in the play offs and Jones well its jones he wasnt a even close to being in his prime. I am saying about Grant, go to hoophypes.com, the year Grant contract expires, the Hornets loose all there old done players with big contracts and the only big contract they have left is Davis over the next 9 years, now look at it this way, would you rather have a grants contract who is done in 2.5 years with the rest of there old players leave them with 0 $ current contractsd that year which is huge with them which means they can go ou and try and pull in big free agents and also that year there are a ton of good draft picks and sign them to long term deals which is what NOH are looking for. I dont think they are worrying about filling seats, nobody is watching there game with or without Davis, they stink and have no chance of winning whcih nobody wants to see. Why not bring in a player who will eliminate 50 mill in contract payment from 2006-2011 or w/e to Davis than give 28 mill to someone and get rid of that contract faster.</div> How can Wade as a rookie not be the Wade we saw last year when he was a rookie last year? Also what does Jones turning into a role player have to do with anything, I'm saying last year when Jones was a role player and Wade was a rookie, they helped him get in the playoffs. Wade was a rookie PG who didn't get oppurtunities? Him and Odom averaged about the same PPG, and Eddie Jones was actually the teams scoring leader, it's not a whether I like it or not situation, the Heat got in the playoffs because of them all playing well. Again about Grant, if the Hornets trade Baron for Odom, they have no players to trade for Grant. Lynch, Mash, Magloire and PJ Brown expire at the same time as Grant and will give them about 33 million in cap space, and all make less and are better players than Grant, it wouldn't make sense for them to acquire Grant for that reason. Wesley also expires before that, and looking at the situation they'd get the same amount of cap relief with their current players. They also wouldn't want another PF because they're trying to get minutes for David West. Also I don't think they're planning for that long of a rebuilding process, it could happen, but teams don't plan that, the Warriors haven't planned to be losing since God knows when.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BODY_COUNT:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry, but I can't take anything seriously from a guy who has Brian Cook listed as one of his favorite players.</div> <strike>I am family friends with him ass, nice one pulling that out of your ass **** tard, grow some balls and debate me instead of making some ***** ass excuse like that.</strike> <font size="1"><font color="Red">Please refrain from personal attacks. -Brandon</font></font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Its simple we dont need to touch anything we just need to get a decent point guard. I would love to have Bobby Jackson.</div> Bobby Jackson is a SG in a PG's body and is extremely injury prone... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry, but I can't take anything seriously from a guy who has Brian Cook listed as one of his favorite players.</div> ...but you like Rubeun Patterson
Don't be catching feelings Billa_bong, I got nothing personal against you. Handle the truth. yea, I like Ruben for many reasons, but I'll only give you one - he got traded by the lakers for killing Kobe's confidence in practice and playing him "too hard".
The problem is he didint shoot 6-23 today he was 12-23 all his teammates shot poorly. I dont blame only players i blame the whole team. But i blame some players more than others. Second one game and you guys are all down saying trade Lamar trade Caron. Whats wrong with you people this is our team this is who we are. Instead of trying to run from it we need to face it and they also need to face it and make themselves better. And to all the Laker fans we can make up for this loss on thursday. It just seems like a bad loss but it isnt the Sonics are at home and they are on a roll. We are on the road and our players didnt play a good game. Lets just hope to see different, and i wouldnt be suprised if we lost thursday but in my heart ibeleive we will win. So be patient its one game. Lets Go Laker Fans believe i nyoure team. Lets Go Lakers!!! 2005-2006 A New Beginning A New Chapter A New Machine. Now all we need is the oil.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BODY_COUNT:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't be catching feelings, I got nothing personal against you. Handle the truth.</div> Handle the truth what, you don't have a point because everything I said in that post was right and you had to result to personal attack by attacking players I like, sorry I didn't know it was a bad thing to like young players...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">I could care less about those quotes, overall losses are still not being blamed on him. You are kind of taking the Kobe Bryant road...you proved me wrong on a single point but you are missing the big picture what really matters. Trading Lamar Odom is not going to make your team better. And it's funny how people will lose respect for a championship coach the minute that a team starts losing. Also, why are you talking about a trade after losing to a top team anyway? You guys lost to the Bulls....no excuse for that. Rudy is a good enough coach that there is no way you can blame that loss on him. Really, if you are going to blame a loss on someone, blame the team. I see a lot of people blaming the Lakers as a whole team, but it bothers me when they exclude Kobe, especially on a night when he shoots 6-23 but drops 35 because he got to the line a lot. Kobe is doing exactly what other stars have done in the past....actually shooting worse than a lot of them. They took the blame and he should too.</div> Actually...I never said to fire Rudy T or trade Odom...but there are trade possibilities that could very well help this team. The Minnesota Timberwolves lost to the Bulls, also...and so did the Cavaliers (with LeBron) and the Jazz (with AK47 playing). Who do I blame for that?
<font color="red">To everyone...let's keep this thread clean, okay? Please stop with the personal attacks...they don't add anything to the thread, and are completely unnecessary in the first place.</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually...I never said to fire Rudy T or trade Odom...but there are trade possibilities that could very well help this team.</div> Ok, but others did and you know this. For future reference, when I say "Laker fans" sometimes I am not including Real Deal, trenchteam, notmuchgame, Shape, and a few that have some sense. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Minnesota Timberwolves lost to the Bulls, also...and so did the Cavaliers (with LeBron) and the Jazz (with AK47 playing). Who do I blame for that?</div> You should blame Flip for not making Hudson the starting pg. You should blame Mard Madsen for not scoring, and blame Cassell just for the heck of it. But dont blame KG. For the Jazz you should blame Sloan because his wife died, and blame the management for trading Greg Ostertag. Don't blame AK-47 or Boozer. ^^Sarcasm and a lot of it didn't make sense, but relates to what a lot of Laker fans do after losses. Anyway I'm tired of arguing this, there's no need for anyone to respond.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok, but others did and you know this. For future reference, when I say "Laker fans" sometimes I am not including Real Deal, trenchteam, notmuchgame, Shape, and a few that have some sense. You should blame Flip for not making Hudson the starting pg. You should blame Mard Madsen for not scoring, and blame Cassell just for the heck of it. But dont blame KG. For the Jazz you should blame Sloan because his wife died, and blame the management for trading Greg Ostertag. Don't blame AK-47 or Boozer. ^^Sarcasm and a lot of it didn't make sense, but relates to what a lot of Laker fans do after losses. Anyway I'm tired of arguing this, there's no need for anyone to respond.</div> I just posted this in the Sonic Forum but I will post in here also, Ill give you reason why I dont blame Kobe for the loss: -He has to play point guard and shooting guard -He was getting guys open and making the pass, nobody was making there shots, if you don't believe me look at the stats, the only 3 players that shot over 50% were 3 people, Kobe Jones and Butler. Atkins shot 25%, Odom shot 33%, Mihm shot 25%, ALSO might I add Atkins hit 1 of 7 threes. Kobe cant control how these guys shoot, he cant sit there and say keep your elbow at a 90 degree angle, push with your back hand and aim at the hoop. He cant do more than he is doing, he drives to the hoop, gets a a couple people to follow and passes it off, they miss, what can he do, nothing except take over which he did and got his 35/9/5. -He shot over 50%, 80% from the line He did his part, he did what he could and nobody can win by themselves, other people need to show up besides Kobe, you cant blame Kobe for people missing wide open shots, he can't blame them for missing lay ups, you can't and yet you do.
Hey RealNeal, c'mon i think you should change your nick because you're far from REAL...if even other laker fans disagree with you and you keep defending kobe in every aspect, don't you feel a little biased? Why don't u just admit it when kobe plays bad, that he played bad? DOn't toss it to chucky, mihm, or odom, or tierre brown for airballing that shot, brian cook for his bricks and very soon you will blame it on the legend rudy t. I feel bad for rudy t, he panics a lot as a laker coach while with the rockets he was one of the most calmest. This is prolly because kobe messes up his intended plays because he thinks he's superman and it freaks rudy out. FYI odom's productivity diminished after he left the heat. Well kobe has most of the ball possession for the lakers..anyways if kobe MOONED the Seattle CRowd for BOOING him..I bet you would say that he had a good structure and it looked good and that the fans provoked him to do it.
Rudy doesn't have any plays for Kobe to mess up. Yes, Kobe played poorly today and the loss is his fault. It's also his fault that Odom can't hang onto the ball and that his offense is out of rhythm. Kobe should hold his hand to boost his confidence. And correct again, Kobe would probably would moon a booing crowd. I mean, he's acted so poorly toward other booing crowds... Sorry, I just had to feed the troll...
