LA Times: Jerry Buss asks Glen Taylor for Kevin Garnett

I agree, the key is Boston. If they're willing to give up Al Jefferson, it would've been a done deal.

 

Celtics getting O'neal right?Why are they thinking there getting rip off?
Lakers get: Kevin Garnett

Wolves get: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and the #5 pick

Pacers get: Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum

Celtics get: Jermaine O’Neal

 

<div class="quote_poster">lakersfan171 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Celtics getting O'neal right?Why are they thinking there getting rip off?
Lakers get: Kevin Garnett

Wolves get: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and the #5 pick

Pacers get: Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum

Celtics get: Jermaine O’Neal</div>

No offense, but Lakers/Indiana are giving up too little while Boston giving up the most. A better trade would be...

Lakers get: Kevin Garnett, Troy Hudson

Pacers get: Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Farmar, 19th Pick

Wolves get: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Telfair, 5th Pick, Theo Ratliff

Celtics get: Jermaine O'Neal, Danny Granger, future 1st from Lakers.

 

Celts fans are not going to like giving up Al, they love him down in Boston and see his potential. I can see Boston trying to revamp this in favor of Boston keeping Jefferson.

 

They ran a poll to the Celtics fans and 90% of the votes were that they shouldn't give up Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett, so why would they give him, plus Gerald Green and a top 5 pick for Jermaine O Neal?

<div class="quote_poster">lakersfan171 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Celtics getting O'neal right?Why are they thinking there getting rip off?
Lakers get: Kevin Garnett

Wolves get: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and the #5 pick

Pacers get: Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum

Celtics get: Jermaine O’Neal</div>

They give up way more than the Lakers give up and they get Jermaine O Neal and Lakers get Kevin Garnett? It makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Boston will NOT give up Al Jefferson unless they get KG.

Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, and #5>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum, especially to a team that is rebuilding.

 

<div class="quote_poster">kobe4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No offense, but Lakers/Indiana are giving up too little while Boston giving up the most. A better trade would be...

Lakers get: Kevin Garnett, Troy Hudson

Pacers get: Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Farmar, 19th Pick

Wolves get: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Telfair, 5th Pick, Theo Ratliff

Celtics get: Jermaine O'Neal, Danny Granger, future 1st from Lakers.</div>

Al Jefferson isn't giving up too much the first proposed deal is fair... You are asking the Lakers to include Farmar, their 19th this year and a future first round pick for Troy Hudson??? get real.

 

<div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Al Jefferson isn't giving up too much the first proposed deal is fair... You are asking the Lakers to include Farmar, their 19th this year and a future first round pick for Troy Hudson??? get real.</div>

So you think Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and the #5 pick is worth Jermaine O Neal? Like I said in my previous post, the Celtics are giving up way more then the Lakers are in this deal and the Lakers get KG, but the Celtics get Jermaine O Neal?

I'll break it down.... Al Jefferson> Andrew Bynum, Theo Ratliff(filler)'s 11 mil expiring is >Kwame's 9 mil expiring, and for a rebuilding team Gerald Green and #5 is worth quite a bit more than Lamar Odom's crappy contract. Boston would certainly have to throw in more fillers, but they have a much better offer for KG then the Lakers do. If KG says he doesn't want to play in Boston, then that would obviously take the Celtics out of a potential deal and gives the Lakers the advantage, but the Celtics have a MUCH better offer for the Twolves future then the Lakers do.

Why would the Celtics trade a 22 year old avg 16 and 11 for a 29 year old(when the season starts) who avg 18 and 9? Not to mention Jefferson shot nearly 8% better than JO and JO's body is wearing down from injuries. The Celtics might trade Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, #5, and fillers for Jermaine O Neal, but don't expect them to trade Al Jefferson unless they get a KG or Amare Stoudemire type player for him.

Do you really think that the Lakers can get KG for Odom and Bynum only? Get real. Lakers would only be so lucky to get KG for "only" giving up Odom, Bynum, Farmar, #19, and future 1st.

The 2nd trade is way more fair for all parties, but Indiana gets the short end of the stick. despite not being as good of a deal for the Lakers. Boston gets absolutely raped in the first deal.

I just don't really understand why the Twolves take on basically just the Celtics players, but the Celtics don't get KG.

 

^ They're also giving up Kwame Browns expiring contract which is worth 9 million. That would give whatever team that gets Kwame a lot of cap space to chase a premier free agent next summer (like Tim Duncan, or Gil Arenas) so its really not that bad a deal.

 

<div class="quote_poster">ilive4ball Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^ They're also giving up Kwame Browns expiring contract which is worth 9 million. That would give whatever team that gets Kwame a lot of cap space to chase a premier free agent next summer (like Tim Duncan, or Gil Arenas) so its really not that bad a deal.</div>

Did you even read my post? Celtics would have to give up Theo Ratliff who might actually be able to play next year who has a larger expiring deal then Kwame, and Kwame is almost guaranteed to miss the entire season.

 

I agree that Al Jefferson is a future all star but we are talking about present all stars... Al Jefferson>Andrew Bynum that's just one man's opinion against another's who is to say that Andrew doesnt become a better player than Jefferson the Timberwolves are looking to rebuild so they can afford to nurtureBynum's potential.

I agree that maybe the deal with Boston has a slight edge only because of the pick but that's it and it really doesnt matter because as you already know KG doesnt want to play for the Celts.

"So you think Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and the #5 pick is worth Jermaine O Neal?"... Heck yeah! Jermaine O'Neal, Elton Brand, KG only come around so often they are all perennial all stars, proven leaders, and solid 20 and 10 guys Gerald Green is flashy he'll fill up seats with his dunks but will he get you into the playoffs? Al Jefferson has potential I would take a proven player over potential any day. This year's draft is weak who would be the best case scenario available at the #5 spot? Yi, Noah, Brewer?... Yeah no.

 

<div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree that Al Jefferson is a future all star but we are talking about present all stars... Al Jefferson>Andrew Bynum that's just one man's opinion against another's who is to say that Andrew doesnt become a better player than Jefferson the Timberwolves are looking to rebuild so they can afford to nurtureBynum's potential. </div>

Why would they want to nuture Andrew Bynum if they can get someone else who has superstar potential that is waaaaaaaaaay further along in their development? Bynum could become a better player then Al Jefferson, it could happen, but Al Jefferson is already a double double player and he's only 22. Are you telling me that you wouldn't deal Andrew Bynum straight up for Al Jefferson if that deal was on the table?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree that maybe the deal with Boston has a slight edge only because of the pick but that's it and it really doesnt matter because as you already know KG doesnt want to play for the Celts.</div>

I've already pretty much told you that basically every single part of the trade, the Celtics give up more. They give up more cap space, they give up 1 big who is 23 and is likely to become an all-star next year, another young promising player straight from HS, and the #5 pick in a top heavy draft, in comparison to what you think is "too much" in a 19 year old 7 footer who really hasn't proven anything and looks to be several years away from producing, a guy who is making 28 mil the next 2 years when his best spot in the rotation is a #3 scorer, a decent young PG that couldn't even beat out Smush Parker last year for PT, #19 pick, and a future 1st that is likely to be really late because KG/Kobe will make a high pick? That doesn't even include Kwame Brown's 9 mil expiring contract which isn't in the deal. The Boston trade is MUCH better than the trade you feel is "too much" for KG.

The Boston deal is 11 mil is cap room, plus 2 promising young players, and a top 5 pick in one of the best drafts in recent memory. The Lakers deal is a promising young player(who is probably not as far along as Gerald Green), a 3rd option on offense at best with a huge contract, the #19 pick, and a future 1st which is likely in the mid to late 20's?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"So you think Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and the #5 pick is worth Jermaine O Neal?"... Heck yeah! Jermaine O'Neal, Elton Brand, KG only come around so often they are all perennial all stars, proven leaders, and solid 20 and 10 guys Gerald Green is flashy he'll fill up seats with his dunks but will he get you into the playoffs? Al Jefferson has potential I would take a proven player over potential any day. This year's draft is weak who would be the best case scenario available at the #5 spot? Yi, Noah, Brewer?... Yeah no.</div>

Let me say this again..... Al Jefferson is 22 years old right now and will enter the season at 22 years old. He has already had a 16 ppg and 11 rpg season under his belt and there are no signs pointing to him not to continue to be a very good player. Hell Al almost had a better season then JO last year and I don't think it'd be that farfetched to say that he will have a comparable season this year to JO(or at least in 2 seasons max). Jefferson does have potential, but he is close to matching Jermaine O Neal's stats already in his career. You would give up possibly 1-2 more years of slight improvement in production with a absolutely horrible contract for higher potential and probable higher production in 2-3 years, Gerald Green and a #5 pick. That would be absolutely suicide for your organization. Please propose that deal in the Celtics board and see their reactions.

 

<div class="quote_poster">LBJ2006MVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But the thing is we're going to have PF LEE,C James, Curry, C Jermain, PF Brown, PF Frey, C Morris thats too many centers and PF i think. I would send Frey somewhere to the Lakers may be for the pick?</div>

Who the hell is Frey?

And to whoever it was that suggested the possible lineup of Kobe, KG, Billups and Artest, you're not serious are you?

 

OK (for the umpteenth time) the deal for Boston is BETTER albeit IT DOES NOT MATTER Garnett already said no to Ainge.

...and call me crazy but I wouldnt trade Bynum for Al Jefferson if that were on the table. You obviosly have a love fest for Al Jefferson he's not that great buddy. Solid role player but not someone to build around.

Ha! propose this in the Boston forum not that wouldnt be fair now would it?

We can agree to disagree. Ive probably seen more of Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom to vouch for their talent and vice versa with you and Al so really we are both biased in our opinions. Youre an east coast guy and Im a die hard west coast its obvious you think the east is stronger than the west.

 

<div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">OK (for the umpteenth time) the deal for Boston is BETTER albeit IT DOES NOT MATTER Garnett already said no to Ainge.

...and call me crazy but I wouldnt trade Bynum for Al Jefferson if that were on the table. You obviosly have a love fest for Al Jefferson he's not that great buddy. Solid role player but not someone to build around.</div>

No I don't have a love fest for Al Jefferson, honestly I've only seen him play a couple of times, so I don't really know too much about him, but went to look at his statistics and was surprised at what I found.

Solid role player? How many players avg over 16 and 11 this season? Only 12 players had over 10 boards a game this season and only 7 had over 11 boards. Out of those 12 players only 6 of them avg over 16 ppg(KG, Dwight, Boozer, Bosh, Duncan, Randolph). Only KG, Dwight and Boozer had at least 16 ppg and 11 rpg. That's elite company, IMO. Not to mention the kid is only going to be 22 next season and isn't even close to reaching his potential. He's definitely a guy that I would like to build my team around. I don't know about you man, but if I was a Laker fan I would be happy if Bynum ever reached that level. He very well could be better than Jefferson, but I would definitely take the sure thing in Jefferson over a possibly could be in Bynum that Kobe called out based on his work ethic.

Seriously could you imagine if Kobe had a 16 and 11 big man to play next to last year? The Lakers would have been much much better.

Not to mention KG doesn't have a no trade clause. He can't direct Minnesota where to trade him. If Boston wants to take the chance on him possibly opting out after the season(which would be dumb, because he would get a significant pay cut unless he goes back to a rebuilding team) then Minnesota could still make the trade with Boston.

 

Al Jefferson plays in the east... (Dwight Howard, An Old Shaq, Eddy Curry, Ilgauskas... who else???)

Andrew Bynum played in the west against the likes of: (Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Carlos Boozer, Amare)

Just an assumption but I think Andrew's stats would also be inflated had he had the opportunity to play against those centers in the eastern conference.

Give me that one.

 

Update:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Trade talks continued Monday between the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Lakers after a four-team proposal that would have sent All-Star forward Kevin Garnett to the Lakers collapsed.

Minnesota owner Glen Taylor was expected to be in the Timberwolves' offices this morning before departing for a honeymoon in China. His appearance at team headquarters suggested a quick resolution on the Lakers' proposal, which includes forward Lamar Odom and center Andrew Bynum.

...

The Lakers are now back to direct talks with the Timberwolves. Although the 19-year-old Bynum would satisfy one need, the fact that the Lakers have the 19th pick in Thursday's draft isn't high enough for the Timberwolves' tastes.

In another scenario, the Lakers could include center Kwame Brown in the deal and also acquire Troy Hudson or Marko Jaric to address a need for a ballhandling guard while lifting an unfavorable contract off the Timberwolves' books.</div>

 

The Lakers need to find another team to deal with that isn't Boston. The perfect team: the Knicks. Jermaine wants to go there, and the Knicks can dump some of their high payrollers on the other teams involved. THIS BETTER GET DONE!

 

<div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Al Jefferson plays in the east... (Dwight Howard, An Old Shaq, Eddy Curry, Ilgauskas... who else???)

Andrew Bynum played in the west against the likes of: (Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Carlos Boozer, Amare)

Just an assumption but I think Andrew's stats would also be inflated had he had the opportunity to play against those centers in the eastern conference.

Give me that one.</div>

Are you kidding me? Don't forget Chris Bosh and Ben Wallace in the East and Yao and a healthy David West in the West. Sure the West is more intense and bigger, but to discredit a 16 and 11 season for a 21 year old is ridiculous just because he played in the East is laughable. Hell Dwight Howard who is the same age only avg 17.6 ppg and 12.3 rpg last season in more minutes, which is just barely better than Al Jefferson's stats and he was all NBA 3rd team C. So Dwight must not be that good either right? The guy you guys wanted desperately Jermaine O Neal only avg 19.4 ppg and 9.6 rpg in the weak East, so he can't be that good either right?

 

<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Are you kidding me? Don't forget Chris Bosh and Ben Wallace in the East and Yao and a healthy David West in the West. Sure the West is more intense and bigger, but to discredit a 16 and 11 season for a 21 year old is ridiculous just because he played in the East is laughable. Hell Dwight Howard who is the same age only avg 17.6 ppg and 12.3 rpg last season in more minutes, which is just barely better than Al Jefferson's stats and he was all NBA 3rd team C. So Dwight must not be that good either right? The guy you guys wanted desperately Jermaine O Neal only avg 19.4 ppg and 9.6 rpg in the weak East, so he can't be that good either right?</div>

After reading your posts, Boston really is getting ripped off pretty badly. I think the deal is just one on one now, so Boston's not involved anymore.

 

I heard a rumor that KG is trying to contact KB to make sure he stays in LA if he comes over.