Lack of leadership/determination in the NBA & other issues.

Re: Lack of leadership/determination in the NBA & other issues.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Feb 19 2007, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree, and I hate it when people say two perimeter players are rivals. It's not a rivalry if they are both playing in the same game, but aren't guarding each other. It's kind of easy to drop 30+ points on a scrub defender. I'll call it a rivalry when Wade starts guarding LeBron, and LeBron guards Wade for the majority of the game. Until then, it's nothing...</div>That makes no sense - Bird and Magic never guarded each other. Jordan and Ewing never guarded each other. Jordan and Isiah Thomas never guarded each other.

 

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Yeah but Bird and Magic pretty much single handedly brought back the NBA and they played each other in the NCAA Championship...and then Larry Bird beat Magic in the first NBA finals they played each other in and in that era they both were the stars of their teams and played each other in the finals year after year

 

Re: Lack of leadership/determination in the NBA & other issues.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Feb 19 2007, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah but Bird and Magic pretty much single handedly brought back the NBA and they played each other in the NCAA Championship...and then Larry Bird beat Magic in the first NBA finals they played each other in and in that era they both were the stars of their teams and played each other in the finals year after year</div> You can't expect a person like PFF that doesn't understand the NBA/basketball to understand the Lakers/Celtics rivalry (he's probably never seen any of those finals games). It was not Bird v. Magic, it was those stacked teams going at it for almost a decade...basektball at it's best.

 

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^^ pretty much...I agree..just saying that Bird and Magic sparked those rivalries because of their history together in the NCAA championship and coming into the league together

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 19 2007, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't expect a person like PFF that doesn't understand the NBA/basketball to understand the Lakers/Celtics rivalry (he's probably never seen any of those finals games).</div>He was right. Read what BigMo posted, and then read how PFF replied. BigMo said 2 players cannot have a rivalry if they don't guard each other, and PFF was right in the examples he gave. Now, of course the Celtics/Lakers, Bulls/Pistons, and Bulls/Knicks rivalries were about much more than the 2 stars going head to head, but the fact remains that 2 players can have a rivalry without guarding each other.

 

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If they don't play the same position and don't guard eachother it's generally a team rivalry...like with the Knicks/Heat, Lakers/Kings...you can pick out the best player on each team and call that a rivalry but it's generally not the case at all.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 19 2007, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they don't play the same position and don't guard eachother it's generally a team rivalry...like with the Knicks/Heat, Lakers/Kings...you can pick out the best player on each team and call that a rivalry but it's generally not the case at all.</div>When 2 of the best players go against each other, even when they don't play the same position, it's still a rivalry IMO. Magic/Bird and Jordan/Ewing are great examples. 2 of the best in the game at their respective positions going head to head, meeting year after year. The physicality is just icing on the cake, but doesn't make the rivalry. Sure, they are just portions of the Celtics/Lakers and Bulls/Knicks rivalries, but I still consider arguably the best players at their respective postions playing against each other as a rivalry in its own right. When I think Lakers/Celtics, I think Bird/Magic, not Coop getting pushed out of bounds or all the other intense fights. When I think of Bulls/Knicks, I think of Ewing/MJ (and MJ smacking Pat's turnaround jumper out of bounds).But yes, if they are playing each other year after year in the playoffs, the individual matchup is a part of the bigger picture.

 

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Now Raja and the <strike>Laker</strike> is a player to player rivalry :shifty2:

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Feb 19 2007, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That makes no sense - Bird and Magic never guarded each other. Jordan and Ewing never guarded each other. Jordan and Isiah Thomas never guarded each other.</div>Right, Jordan and Ewing never guarded each other. That's why that is classified as the Bulls/Knicks rivalry, not the Jordan/Ewing rivalry. Regardless, there was a TON of unbelievable battles between these 2 teams, especially in the playoffs. They fought harder than ever, they leveled each other in the paint every chance they got, Pippen and Xavier McDaniel were always going at it, they all hated each other. That was a real rivalry, especially because it happened year in and year out.You guys calling anything today a rivalry is just so wrong.

 

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People always talk about individual rivalries. THE WAY YOU GUYS PUT IT IT'S AS IF THERE ARE NO RIVALRIES BETWEEN PLAYERS AT ALL, JUST TEAMS.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Feb 19 2007, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Right, Jordan and Ewing never guarded each other. That's why that is classified as the Bulls/Knicks rivalry, not the Jordan/Ewing rivalry. Regardless, there was a TON of unbelievable battles between these 2 teams, especially in the playoffs. They fought harder than ever, they leveled each other in the paint every chance they got, Pippen and Xavier McDaniel were always going at it, they all hated each other. That was a real rivalry, especially because it happened year in and year out.You guys calling anything today a rivalry is just so wrong.</div>When you think Celtics/Lakers, you think Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. When you think of Bulls/Knicks, you think of the hard fought battles and incredible performances by the 2 stars, Partrick Ewing and Jordan. Yes, Bird/Magic and Ewing/Jordan were just part of the big picture, but they were still rivalries nontheless.

 

Re: Lack of leadership/determination in the NBA & other issues.

^^^Iverson is all about winning.Carter don't think so.