Farmar/Kwame/Ariza+2picks or Critt/Odom+picks for Kidd to go to LA. if you wanna give up Bynum, that'd be fine though. I'd like to trade him to Denver for Camby+Kleiza+Smith and maybe a pick? Then trade Carter for AK47 Kirilenko/Williams/Camby frontcourt, hell yeah, try and shoot on the inside now! and RJ at the 2.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hope you're talking to him and not me. I didn't make the argument about Kidd's scoring incapabilities, he did.</div> Yeah, I know it was him. I'm sure you know better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe. A Lakers package should look like this either Kwame Brown PF Trevor Ariza SF Jordon Farmar Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf. (I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div> Thank God, a rational Nets fan! The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first). As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though. </div> A "rational Nets fan" should know that in most trades, Thorn either trades to rape the other team, or save some money. The arguement that "Kidd doesn't score that much" is one of the weakest arguements I've ever heard, and proves your limited knowledge of basketball. After all, you don't need to score to contribute to a win. And anyways, no way we'd pick up Vlad or Luke, their contracts are ugly as hell. However a package of Farmar, Kwame, and Ariza intrigues me. I forgot about Ariza in LA. I like Ariza, he'd be a pretty solid pickup. </div> The argument being that if you take some of the ridiculous proposals on here the Lakers lose almost 30 points in scoring a game and unlike a Kevin Garnett or Shaq 3 years ago Jason Kidd can't make up that deficit. Yes Kidd is a great player, yes he will dish and rebound the rock but jesus you think he's untouchable with some of your posts...he's not Lebron, he's not Kobe and he's not Howard...he's not at that level. Don't question my basketball knowledge ever...yeah I'll admit you do a great job of understanding offensive schemes and such but don't treat post like I'm a basketball dumbass...Im not. Maybe you should check your ability to be impartial regarding a trade before coming a me. Excuse me for not typing a 2 freaking paragraph essay on the implications of losing some many offensive players on the Lakers...I thought your intelligence was such that you would get my meaning. "A rational nets fan knows that in most trades thorn either rapes the other team or saves money" He raped one team...the Raptors...I don't believe there GM at the time is now currently employeed. Other than that he's made decent trades some that worked and some that didn't. You want to argue the Suns? When we traded for Kidd he was a wife beater who had never been out the first round of the playoffs. Stephen Marbury was 24 at the time of the trade and was considered a potentail superstar...WE GOT LUCKY. JASON KIDD IS 35 years old...New Jersey doesn't matter to this franchise....Brooklyn does. We aren't a championship contender Jason Kidd won't make us a contender in Brooklyn but some young players and picks might. And if you think you're getting Bynum for Kidd your off your fucking rocker.*(feel free to edit the F-bomb but I'm pissed and I'm gonna express it). Bynum is 2 years and 2 months younger than Dwight Howard and already averaging a double double! (12pts 10 rebounds...at 20!) That's Big Time...he could be as good a Howard one day...maybe better and you think we can get him for Kidd. Where's your basketball knowledge. I feel better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Dec 23 2007, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No Bynum,NO deal.</div> If the Lakers wouldn't do it last year, why would they do it this year when Bynum is doing great?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe. A Lakers package should look like this either Kwame Brown PF Trevor Ariza SF Jordon Farmar Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf. (I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div> Thank God, a rational Nets fan! The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first). As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though. </div> A "rational Nets fan" should know that in most trades, Thorn either trades to rape the other team, or save some money. The arguement that "Kidd doesn't score that much" is one of the weakest arguements I've ever heard, and proves your limited knowledge of basketball. After all, you don't need to score to contribute to a win. And anyways, no way we'd pick up Vlad or Luke, their contracts are ugly as hell. However a package of Farmar, Kwame, and Ariza intrigues me. I forgot about Ariza in LA. I like Ariza, he'd be a pretty solid pickup. </div> The argument being that if you take some of the ridiculous proposals on here the Lakers lose almost 30 points in scoring a game and unlike a Kevin Garnett or Shaq 3 years ago Jason Kidd can't make up that deficit. Yes Kidd is a great player, yes he will dish and rebound the rock but jesus you think he's untouchable with some of your posts...he's not Lebron, he's not Kobe and he's not Howard...he's not at that level. Don't question my basketball knowledge ever...yeah I'll admit you do a great job of understanding offensive schemes and such but don't treat post like I'm a basketball dumbass...Im not. Maybe you should check your ability to be impartial regarding a trade before coming a me. Excuse me for not typing a 2 freaking paragraph essay on the implications of losing some many offensive players on the Lakers...I thought your intelligence was such that you would get my meaning. "A rational nets fan knows that in most trades thorn either rapes the other team or saves money" He raped one team...the Raptors...I don't believe there GM at the time is now currently employeed. Other than that he's made decent trades some that worked and some that didn't. You want to argue the Suns? When we traded for Kidd he was a wife beater who had never been out the first round of the playoffs. Stephen Marbury was 24 at the time of the trade and was considered a potentail superstar...WE GOT LUCKY. JASON KIDD IS 35 years old...New Jersey doesn't matter to this franchise....Brooklyn does. We aren't a championship contender Jason Kidd won't make us a contender in Brooklyn but some young players and picks might. And if you think you're getting Bynum for Kidd your off your fucking rocker.*(feel free to edit the F-bomb but I'm pissed and I'm gonna express it). Bynum is 2 years and 2 months younger than Dwight Howard and already averaging a double double! (12pts 10 rebounds...at 20!) That's Big Time...he could be as good a Howard one day...maybe better and you think we can get him for Kidd. Where's your basketball knowledge. I feel better. </div> Well said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The argument being that if you take some of the ridiculous proposals on here the Lakers lose almost 30 points in scoring a game and unlike a Kevin Garnett or Shaq 3 years ago Jason Kidd can't make up that deficit. Yes Kidd is a great player, yes he will dish and rebound the rock but jesus you think he's untouchable with some of your posts...he's not Lebron, he's not Kobe and he's not Howard...he's not at that level. Don't question my basketball knowledge ever...yeah I'll admit you do a great job of understanding offensive schemes and such but don't treat post like I'm a basketball dumbass...Im not. Maybe you should check your ability to be impartial regarding a trade before coming a me. Excuse me for not typing a 2 freaking paragraph essay on the implications of losing some many offensive players on the Lakers...I thought your intelligence was such that you would get my meaning. "A rational nets fan knows that in most trades thorn either rapes the other team or saves money" He raped one team...the Raptors...I don't believe there GM at the time is now currently employeed. Other than that he's made decent trades some that worked and some that didn't. You want to argue the Suns? When we traded for Kidd he was a wife beater who had never been out the first round of the playoffs. Stephen Marbury was 24 at the time of the trade and was considered a potentail superstar...WE GOT LUCKY. JASON KIDD IS 35 years old...New Jersey doesn't matter to this franchise....Brooklyn does. We aren't a championship contender Jason Kidd won't make us a contender in Brooklyn but some young players and picks might. And if you think you're getting Bynum for Kidd your off your fucking rocker.*(feel free to edit the F-bomb but I'm pissed and I'm gonna express it). Bynum is 2 years and 2 months younger than Dwight Howard and already averaging a double double! (12pts 10 rebounds...at 20!) That's Big Time...he could be as good a Howard one day...maybe better and you think we can get him for Kidd. Where's your basketball knowledge. I feel better.</div> Wow. Quite funny. You're making some ignorant remarks, and I'm calling you out on it. Big deal. So, based on your thinking, Boston shouldn't have traded for Garnett, because of the players traded to Minny, there was a combined 44 points averaged. Meanwhile Garnett averages 22. Boston shouldn't do that because they're giving up 22 points, no way they could make that up. In retrospect, I guess that was a pretty ridiculous trade, and Minny got away with murder. Kidd elevates the play of his teammates, and obviously other players would step up in the absence of the players being traded to the Lakers. I don't know how you're thinking on that one. Okay, we raped the Raptors. Marbury's a joke of a player, who just isn't a winner. Meanwhile Kidd's a Hall of Fame point guard, who's good enough to lead his team to the playoffs. That's not raping the Suns? Oh, yeah, and not to mention we traded away an injured Kittles away and got rid of his contract, while he went over to the Clippers...and retired. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'>Any trade with lakers would have to include Bynum and Farmar, and that wouldn't happen.</div> I'm still not sure where you're getting the thought that I think we'd be getting Bynum. And to think he could possibly be better than Dwight...i'd have to disagree with that.
Whole point of trading Bynum is to win now. Whole point of not getting Kidd and keeping Bynum is to win later. Laker staff and fans see the second comming of Wilt so they hold onto that hope for the future because they know now they cannot make a splash.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>These trades they're discussing are a joke. Any trade with lakers would have to include Bynum and Farmar, and that wouldn't happen. And trade with Cleveland...well, they have Gooden, Brown, and Gibson, and that's not really enough. And then Denver has a bunch of bigs, but no point guard. If anything happens, it'd prolly have to be a three-way trade.</div> I don't know how this is me considering Kidd to be "untouchable". I mean, with a trade involving Kidd, I'd wanna see a young point guard to be able to replace him in the lineup, and possibly a good big man if we could get away with that. I'm not all that impressed with the injury-proneness of Denver's big men, and they have no point guards, so I'm not really into that one. And Cleveland...I'm not really sure, thinking about it. I'm not sure about Gibson, he seems like not that good a defensive player, and it seems like he doesn't like taking control of the team. I'm on the fence with a Cleveland trade, to be honest. And the Lakers...no. They're not giving up Bynum, and if we don't get him, I don't really like anything else I see on the team to make the centerpiece of a trade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe. A Lakers package should look like this either Kwame Brown PF Trevor Ariza SF Jordon Farmar Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf. (I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div> Thank God, a rational Nets fan! The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first). As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though. </div> yeah, so Kidd for Farmar and Luke. do you realize how retarded that is for the Nets?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe. A Lakers package should look like this either Kwame Brown PF Trevor Ariza SF Jordon Farmar Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf. (I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div> Thank God, a rational Nets fan! The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first). As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though. </div> yeah, so Kidd for Farmar and Luke. do you realize how retarded that is for the Nets? </div> So what, the offers that the Lakers were receiving for Kobe were more retarded than that one.As for Kidd you guys will never get what you guys would want in return for him. As for Turiaf, I would not mind including him but Bynum is untouchable.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bynumite @ Dec 23 2007, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So what, the offers that the Lakers were receiving for Kobe were more retarded than that one.As for Kidd you guys will never get what you guys would want in return for him. As for Turiaf, I would not mind including him but Bynum is untouchable.</div> Definitely agree with you, on both notes. Which sucks.
You guys are expecting way too much for Kidd. He's the mr. triple double, but he's old as well and you never know if he has a year or two left until he becomes just an average player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Dec 23 2007, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys are expecting way too much for Kidd. He's the mr. triple double, but he's old as well and you never know if he has a year or two left until he becomes just an average player.</div> People have been saying that for the past 3 years. If anything, his play has only increased in each of those three years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Dec 23 2007, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys are expecting way too much for Kidd. He's the mr. triple double, but he's old as well and you never know if he has a year or two left until he becomes just an average player.</div> An average Jason Kidd is better than most starters in this league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Dec 23 2007, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys are expecting way too much for Kidd. He's the mr. triple double, but he's old as well and you never know if he has a year or two left until he becomes just an average player.</div> who cares. you make it seem as if one years, he's going to be disabled from the game of basketball. Unlike nash, Kidd contributes in rebounding and do you really think he's going to lose his playmaking ability anytime soon? sure he may not average double figures in pts and his shooting might get worse but he'll find ways to be effective, it's frekain Jason kidd here, one of the best PGs of ALL TIME. i swear, some of you make it seem as if Kidd is going to wake up one day and forget how to play ball
No its not that bro, its his age catching up. Why didn't Stockton remain in the league? I'm sure he could have been a starter somewhere as well but you get to a point where the beating you get in games is too much to take. I'm pretty sure Kidd is near that point and its around a year or two. (at most 3)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Dec 23 2007, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Dec 23 2007, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys are expecting way too much for Kidd. He's the mr. triple double, but he's old as well and you never know if he has a year or two left until he becomes just an average player.</div> People have been saying that for the past 3 years. If anything, his play has only increased in each of those three years. </div> Agree every year people do say that, but theres going to be a year when the people who say that are going to be right and Kidd is just going to be an average player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, based on your thinking, Boston shouldn't have traded for Garnett, because of the players traded to Minny, there was a combined 44 points averaged. Meanwhile Garnett averages 22. Boston shouldn't do that because they're giving up 22 points, no way they could make that up. In retrospect, I guess that was a pretty ridiculous trade, and Minny got away with murder.</div> Different scenario. Boston had already gotten Ray Allen at this point addin a 20 plus career scorer with Pierce. Knowing you'd be adding Garnett to that duo (who's games all compliment eachother) is different than adding Kidd to just Kobe. Boston gave away alot of Talent to establish a big three and hope a rookie pg would do. They got lucky though. They wouldnt be where they are as a team if it wasn't for the savvy additions of House and Posey. But your point is valid. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd elevates the play of his teammates, and obviously other players would step up in the absence of the players being traded to the Lakers. I don't know how you're thinking on that one.</div> Yeah he does but he's not a magician...just like Kobe wouldn't accept a trade to Chicago if they were robbed Kidd will not be able to help the team if they have no one...if he could turn any player into a producer Antione Wright would be an all star. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay, we raped the Raptors. Marbury's a joke of a player, who just isn't a winner. Meanwhile Kidd's a Hall of Fame point guard, who's good enough to lead his team to the playoffs. That's not raping the Suns? Oh, yeah, and not to mention we traded away an injured Kittles away and got rid of his contract, while he went over to the Clippers...and retired.</div> I don't think you can call it a rape unless you can proclaim it first day such as the Carter deal...every Gm makes a deal and later goes damn I wish I had that back. I'm still pissed about Keith Van Horn for Mutumbo. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'>Any trade with lakers would have to include Bynum and Farmar, and that wouldn't happen.</div> I'm still not sure where you're getting the thought that I think we'd be getting Bynum. </div> Ok. I'm actually sorry about that one...I saw it like two minutes after I posted but was to busy watching the Jets game and forgot to edit it. My bad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bynumite @ Dec 23 2007, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Dec 23 2007, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Dec 23 2007, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys are expecting way too much for Kidd. He's the mr. triple double, but he's old as well and you never know if he has a year or two left until he becomes just an average player.</div> People have been saying that for the past 3 years. If anything, his play has only increased in each of those three years. </div> Agree every year people do say that, but theres going to be a year when the people who say that are going to be right and Kidd is just going to be an average player. </div> Yes, but with the way things have been going, it's ridiculous to speculate when that year will be. His play hasn't shown any signs of slowing down. For people to say "he might be an average player 2 years from now" is silly because they have nothing to base it on. If he had been showing signs of slowing down, I'd agree with them, but so far, he's shown no indications of any sort of decline.
