<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 29 2006, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the ABA was tougher than the NBA ever was</div> :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: your a joker, thats for sure
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Jordan Farmar, Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom, or Andrew Bynum pan out, watch out. Because the Lakers have the type of team right now, that in a few years, they'll either be elite, or mediocre/bad, and they're's a higher chance that they'll be good than bad. The Pacers have the kind of team that will hover around 500 for years and years (unless they pick up a big name free agent). They have no young players with the potential of somebody like Andrew Bynum or Jordan Farmar.</div> :HAHAHA: only the desperat in need of a comeback say bynum and farmar have potential :HAHAHA: man that's just sad, if I were you I'd be embarrased right now<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, ask anybody who knows a lick about basketball and they'll tell you that with the type of talent the Lakers have, their record and the way they played Phoenix was overachieving. Besides Kwame Brown, I don't see who's overpaid. And learn something before you attack a team, the Lakers have great chemistry now, watch the sidelines, the team is full of a group of enthusiastic, tight nit guys.</div> :HAHAHA: that sounds great for a team with no talent - we support each other when we lose by twenty and kobe takes all the shots in the game :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>rookie with penny, hakeem is better than shaq, kobe's fault in LA, the year with D-Wade when they didn't win there were simply too many injuries</div>Shaq was with Orlando from 92-96. He was with them for 4 years and the closest they ever got was having their asses handed to them by Hakeem and Houston in the 95 finals. What about 97 and 98? Kobe wasn't even a starter either of those two years, he didn't have a big enough impact to affect the team that much. Why couldn't they win then? And if you're going to blame 2005 on injuries, why can't you blame 2006 on one of the most lopsided reffing jobs in NBA history, mixed with a historic collapse by the Mavs.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So whatLakers happen to have unlimited money, you guys dont live in the real world</div>This is the NBA, there's a salary cap, the Lakers play it just like every other team in the league, they don't have unlimited money.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Oct 28 2006, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>HAHAHA @ this thread. Not worth debating. Clearly the Lakers. Better forever - even the deebaters in favour of the Lakers are better than the INDY ones :shifty2:</div>no idea what a deebater is.I resent that - I am one of the best posters on this site cause I can critisize - not kiss ballhogs in the (censored)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>only the good franchises call 40 wins a success with 20 different starting lineups due to suspensions/injuries</div>Look, success boils down to one thing, winning. There's only one team that ends their season on a win (besides the teams that don't make the playoffs), and that team is the champion. Winning=Championships, the closest the Pacers have ever come to a championship was .<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the ABA was tougher than the NBA ever was</div>The fact that it wasn't tougher doesn't even matter in this debate, it was a different league, success doesn't cary over from one league to another.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Oct 28 2006, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: your a joker, thats for sure</div>dr. j - no one played more beautifully and freelymel daniels - one of the finest big men in basketball history, nobody knows it cause little is remembered about the abageorge mcginnis - better scorer than kobe, and more respectablejerry west - bird before birdmoses malone - first to jump from high school to the pros, one of the greatest bigs of all timesthe aba was full of many other free spirits who brought competiveness and beauty to the game of basketball
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:HAHAHA: only the desperat in need of a comeback say bynum and farmar have potential :HAHAHA: man that's just sad, if I were you I'd be embarrased right now</div>Andrew Bynum and Jordan Farmar both have enormous potential, if you don't know that you don't follow the NBA very much. Neither of them is 20 years old, and both of them have shown great things.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shaq was with Orlando from 92-96. He was with them for 4 years and the closest they ever got was having their asses handed to them by Hakeem and Houston in the 95 finals. What about 97 and 98? Kobe wasn't even a starter either of those two years, he didn't have a big enough impact to affect the team that much. Why couldn't they win then? And if you're going to blame 2005 on injuries, why can't you blame 2006 on one of the most lopsided reffing jobs in NBA history, mixed with a historic collapse by the Mavs.This is the NBA, there's a salary cap, the Lakers play it just like every other team in the league, they don't have unlimited money.</div>shaq is a winner, period, you cant change that even though you wish you could cause you love kobeyou can go over the salary cap as much as you want to
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dr. j - no one played more beautifully and freelymel daniels - one of the finest big men in basketball history, nobody knows it cause little is remembered about the abageorge mcginnis - better scorer than kobe, and more respectablejerry west - bird before birdmoses malone - first to jump from high school to the pros, one of the greatest bigs of all timesthe aba was full of many other free spirits who brought competiveness and beauty to the game of basketball</div>Dr. J. made his mark in the NBA. He was popular in the ABA because he was the one of the first flashy players, and that was all the ABA was about. Jerry West never even played in the ABA, Moses Malone played for 3 years then had all his success in the NBA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look, success boils down to one thing, winning. There's only one team that ends their season on a win (besides the teams that don't make the playoffs), and that team is the champion. Winning=Championships, the closest the Pacers have ever come to a championship was .The fact that it wasn't tougher doesn't even matter in this debate, it was a different league, success doesn't cary over from one league to another.</div>quit trying to say that it doesn't matter that ron-ron ruined our franchise, but we tried our best to restore ourselves, relize what we went through before you critisizethe pacers franchise originates from the aba and moved into the nba, sounds like alot of carry-overing to me
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>shaq is a winner, period, you cant change that even though you wish you could cause you love kobeyou can go over the salary cap as much as you want to</div>Shaq is a winner. He's won 4 championships in 13 years, I know that. Kobe is also a winner, he's won 3 championships in 10 years. The Pacers are not winners, they've never won a championship. And how can we go over the salary cap? The rules are the same for every team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dr. J. made his mark in the NBA. He was popular in the ABA because he was the one of the first flashy players, and that was all the ABA was about. Jerry West never even played in the ABA, Moses Malone played for 3 years then had all his success in the NBA.</div>dr j was better in the aba than he was in the nbachampionships, 25 ppg 15 rpg, mvps - he did it all in the abawest played in the abamoses malone averaged almost 20 and 20 in the aba - looks like success to me
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 29 2006, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I resemble that - I am one of the most frequent posters on this site cause I can - kiss injury prone losers in the (censored)</div> :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shaq is a winner. He's won 4 championships in 13 years, I know that. Kobe is also a winner, he's won 3 championships in 10 years. The Pacers are not winners, they've never won a championship. And how can we go over the salary cap? The rules are the same for every team.</div>shaq 4 - by himselfkobe 3 - thanks to shaqyou can go over the cap there's just a penalty that you have to pay extra money on top of thatpacers won in the aba - tougher league<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Oct 28 2006, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>somehing about injury prone losers:happy0144:</div>injury prone? I don't like tinsley/ he's a nonfactor anyway - don't say anything about him being on the team because I'm going to agree with you about ityou forgot that there was also ron who we supported through it all - then turned his back on us - major headache and we still win
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the ABA was tougher than the NBA ever was</div>No way it was. It's just more funkadelic, baby. :dribble: First off, the Pacers are better. They would win a seven game series, regardless of Kobe and his array of scoring.Indiana has Jamaal Tinsley, and when healthy, is a solid defender and three point shooter. The Pacers have four swingmen who each bring a different aspect to the game, which can really change the game up. Stephen Jackson-ShooterJames White-DunkerMarquis Daniels-Shooter/SlasherDanny Granger-DefenderI seriously think that Granger could defend Kobe and keep him under 25, which is below average. The Pacer Big Men are really why I think the Pacers are better. Jermaine O'neal is so versitale on offense, he has great power and a great shot. Al Harrington is terrific at getting garbage points, and is familiar with the Pacers. Jeff Foster is a rebound vacuum. Compared to LA Lakers Big Men, they don't have a big stopper. Kwame is there, but he is unproven and <u>still</u> raw, as is Bynum. Mihm is ok, but he isn't defensively great. Radmonovic can shoot threes....But I would pick the Pacers over the Lakers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>quit trying to say that it doesn't matter that ron-ron ruined our franchise, but we tried our best to restore ourselves, relize what we went through before you critisize</div>What? Who is Ron Ron and what are you talking about.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the pacers franchise originates from the aba and moved into the nba, sounds like alot of carry-overing to me</div>The ABA was an inferior league. Statistics from it dont count on players' or teams' records. That's like saying a player like Christian Laettner has won a lot of awards when he won them in college.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Oct 28 2006, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No way it was. It's just more funkadelic, baby. :dribble: First off, the Pacers are better. They would win a seven game series, regardless of Kobe and his array of scoring.Indiana has Jamaal Tinsley, and when healthy, is a solid defender and three point shooter. The Pacers have four swingmen who each bring a different aspect to the game, which can really change the game up. Stephen Jackson-ShooterJames White-DunkerMarquis Daniels-Shooter/SlasherDanny Granger-DefenderI seriously think that Granger could defend Kobe and keep him under 25, which is below average. The Pacer Big Men are really why I think the Pacers are better. Jermaine O'neal is so versitale on offense, he has great power and a great shot. Al Harrington is terrific at getting garbage points, and is familiar with the Pacers. Jeff Foster is a rebound vacuum. Compared to LA Lakers Big Men, they don't have a big stopper. Kwame is there, but he is unproven and <u>still</u> raw, as is Bynum. Mihm is ok, but he isn't defensively great. Radmonovic can shoot threes....But I would pick the Pacers over the Lakers.</div>thank you for saying something truthful to these ballhog/loser supportersnow about the aba, I don't feel you ause you didn't back it up, I did, plus I don't know what funkadilic is, seriously<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What? Who is Ron Ron and what are you talking about.The ABA was an inferior league. Statistics from it dont count on players' or teams' records. That's like saying a player like Christian Laettner has won a lot of awards when he won them in college.</div>ron artestlook up stuff on nba.com, aba stuff is included
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dr j was better in the aba than he was in the nbachampionships, 25 ppg 15 rpg, mvps - he did it all in the abawest played in the abamoses malone averaged almost 20 and 20 in the aba - looks like success to me</div>Erving was able to do all of that because he was playing against inferior competition. He went from 29/11/5 in 76 to 21/8/4 in 77 when he moved to the NBA. And find for me what team Jerry West played for and how well he played for them. For Malone I'll refer you back to the Erving thing, he was playing worse players in the ABA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Erving was able to do all of that because he was playing against inferior competition. He went from 29/11/5 in 76 to 21/8/4 in 77 when he moved to the NBA. And find for me what team Jerry West played for and how well he played for them. For Malone I'll refer you back to the Erving thing, he was playing worse players in the ABA.</div>the aba was tough - it just has a more popular reputation - free spirited - which it was
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the aba was tough - it just has a more popular reputation - free spirited - which it was</div>The ABA was worse than the NBA, you can say it wasn't as much as you want. But it was.
