<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>since you're trying to start worthless arguments, you find the stats. I don't even know why you're starting this argument without something to back it up.</div> I already stated there are no stats for it. Can you not read? Since you know for a fact there is. Show me and prove it. Otherwise your basically backing up an argument with nothing. And it's not worthless. As long as you keep posting, the days your on here are slowly numbered.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Oct 29 2006, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I already stated there are no stats for it. Can you not read? Since you know for a fact there is. Show me and prove it. Otherwise your basically backing up an argument with nothing. And it's not worthless. As long as you keep posting, the days your on here are slowly numbered.</div>I saw it on tv, I know it's true, you don't. so look it up. why would I look up something I already know?what does that mean -my days are slowly numbered - what?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I saw it on tv, I know it's true, you don't. so look it up. why would I look up something I already know?</div> To back up your argument obviously. I said there's nothing to look up. If you show me there is a running stat for how long a player plays at a certain position, then I will cease with my argument. Otherwise, I stand by my opinion. My guess is you know there's nothing to look up. I mean why else wouldn't you just show me then end this "worthless argument"? If I wanted to prove a point. I would show you, not play a stupid 10 year old game of look it up yourself. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>what does that mean -my days are slowly numbered - what? </div> It's not hard to decipher the meaning to my words. Since you don't get the subtleness behind my statement, it means you won't be on this board for long. Comprende?
Lmfao!...Man this gets funnier and funnier. Pacer...You have weak debating skills. I don't even consider this a debate.
First off, NBA is light years better than the ABA.Second off, this is just a 7-Game series. You don't take injuries into account.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tinsley is okay at best, he makes a lot of turnovers and tries to do too much a lot of the time. Plus his health is a factor.</div>Tinsley's better than okay. He does turnover a lot, but his defense makes up for it.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stephen Jackson would get 15 points, Lamar would be on him most of the time, and if he even looked like he was starting to heat up Kobe or Mo Evans would be in there with a hand in his face every play. He's good, but not that good. James White is a rookie who was taken in the second round. He's not very good, and he can't dunk in traffic so that means nothing. With Marquis Daniels it's the same situation as Jackson, but he's not as good. And Granger's a good defender, but unless he's going up against Bruce Bowen or Ron Artest it's not going to affect Kobe at all.</div>Tayshaun Prince could stop Kobe.... :rock: Granger will affect Kobe. He won't stop him from scoring, but he will slow him down.Stephen Jackson is still improving. The Pacers have a ton of options on offense. All of the Lakers could not stop them.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In a 7 game series? I doubt it.Kwame is unproven as an overall player, but not as a defender. Having watched him for 89 games I know he's an elite post defender. I've seen him hold his own against Duncan, Shaq, and Garnett, he would be able to slow down Jermaine O'neal. Chris Mihm was a top 10 center in the league before he got hurt, he was wildly underrated, he could make a team pay for taking him as nothing. His only problem is his health. I'd say the Pacers have the upper hand down low, but not by much. The Lakers have a big advantage on the wing, and in the point guard spot it's about even.</div>I know for a fact Kwame's not elite yet, and if he can stop JO, Al Harrington will still be powering through traffic. Chris Mihm was never a top ten center. He is pretty underrated, but he was never top ten.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dsounG @ Oct 29 2006, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lmfao!...Man this gets funnier and funnier. Pacer...You have weak debating skills. I don't even consider this a debate. </div>when you start saying something and quit making fun of me maybe I'll read your posts, put until then - consider yourself unread.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>radmonovich and smush would be on the team now.I never said they were free agents in 2004.Obviously the Suns were the better team.Who cares if you're up 3 - 1? If you don't win, it don't matter. My bad about the eddie jones thing. </div>Who cares if your up 3-1 on the Suns? That's my point. It shows great coaching that the Lakers were on the verge of winning the series. Phil is the greatest coach in NBA history in my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Oct 29 2006, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares if your up 3-1 on the Suns? That's my point. It shows great coaching that the Lakers were on the verge of winning the series. Phil is the greatest coach in NBA history in my opinion.</div>phil jackson is one of the greatest coaches everall I'm saying is that his lakers didn't complete the task when it was given to them and the suns won
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Oct 29 2006, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tayshaun Prince could stop Kobe.... :rock: Granger will affect Kobe. He won't stop him from scoring, but he will slow him down.</div>Tayshaun Prince stopped Kobe 3 years ago, this season Kobe averaged 39 on him in two games. He lit Prince up, and Granger isn't nearly as good as Prince is on D.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Oct 29 2006, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stephen Jackson is still improving. The Pacers have a ton of options on offense. All of the Lakers could not stop them.</div>Stephen Jackson is 28, if you think he's still improving then you have to take into account the growth that Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown have been/are going through. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Oct 29 2006, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know for a fact Kwame's not elite yet, and if he can stop JO, Al Harrington will still be powering through traffic. Chris Mihm was never a top ten center. He is pretty underrated, but he was never top ten.</div>There aren't many quality centers in the league. Chris Mihm has range, he has great footwork, he has an array of post moves, and he's about average on defense (he's a pretty good help defender though). It's not saying much, but he was about a top 10 center in the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 29 2006, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tayshaun Prince stopped Kobe 3 years ago, this season Kobe averaged 39 on him in two games. He lit Prince up, and Granger isn't nearly as good as Prince is on D.</div>um... yes he is
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 29 2006, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>um... yes he is</div>Tayshaun prince is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. I'm sorry but Danny Granger is not on Princes level yet. Even if he was, so what. Kobe averaged 40 ppg against the Pistons last season. If Prince can't stop him then Granger can't either. So it doesn't matter if you think he's just as good because Kobe still wouldn't be stopped. Just accept the fact that nobody can stop Kobe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 29 2006, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>um... yes he is</div>No he isn't. Tayshaun Prince is one of the best swingman defenders in the league, Granger is a good defender, that's it.
Man, tayshaun prince didn't stop. Larry brown did. His defensive schemes made kobe ineffective. There's a reason why kobe lit Tayshaun up this season.
say all you want but relize thisPrince - 1 steal 1blkGranger (in 35 - 40 minutes, which he will play this upcoming year) - 2 steals 2 blocksGranger knows how to defendPrince is called a good defender (kinda like jason collins) cause he has little offensive skills
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 29 2006, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>say all you want but relize thisPrince - 1 steal 1blkGranger (in 35 - 40 minutes, which he will play this upcoming year) - 2 steals 2 blocksGranger knows how to defendPrince is called a good defender (kinda like jason collins) cause he has little offensive skills</div>Wow, going from .7 spg and .8 bpg to 2 and 2 is pretty impressive. Too bad that wont happen at all. And what do steals and blocks have to do with playing great perimeter D. AI gets loads of steals, but he is a bad 1 on 1 defender.Limited offensive skills? Once again, you proved your intelligence here. Prince averaged 14 ppg as the 4th option on the Pistons. How many players can boast those numbers as a 4th option? Please, go ahead and tell me. Oh, and Tayshaun has a ton of skill on offense. He rarely has the ball in his hand, but he still finds ways to score. He is a great shooter, he's quick, he can drive. He has a silky offensive game, and he is a good offensive player. Idk how you managed to compare his offensive skill to Jason Collins, but expect to hear the boo-birds pretty soon...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 29 2006, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>say all you want but relize thisPrince - 1 steal 1blkGranger (in 35 - 40 minutes, which he will play this upcoming year) - 2 steals 2 blocksGranger knows how to defendPrince is called a good defender (kinda like jason collins) cause he has little offensive skills</div>DUDE WATCH BASKETBALL PLEASE! Your are making an emarrasement out of yourself. All you showed in that post is you are incredibly biased, you don't watch basketball, and you know nothing about defense. There is more to defense than stats and obviously you don't get that. Sats don't show how well you stay on your man. They don't show how well you keep him from getting away from you. If anything stats are just decieving. People don't call a player good at one thing because they aren't good at another. I guess that also means Ben Wallace is only said to be good on defense because he's bad on offense huh? Yeah exactly. You just brought up a retarded point that had no truth in it what so ever. Tayshaun is said to be great at defense because he is good at defense. Also Granger averaged .7 spg and .8 bpg in 22 mpg. Are you saying that if you add on another 15 minutes or so it will jump to 2 and 2? Don't make me laugh because that's a joke. Why don't you actually watch some basketball then come and try and make a real debate because right now all you are doing is making a joke out of yourself. Why do you think no one has backed up what your saying? And no people haven't. Some people might have said that the Pacers would win but what they said had nothing to do with the stupid and biased arguements you are making. Oh yeah you still have't found what ABA team Jerry West played for and where they keep track of how many minutes a plkayer plays at each position.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Oh yeah you still have't found what ABA team Jerry West played for and where they keep track of how many minutes a plkayer plays at each position.</div> :HAHAHA: It's because were too lazy to find the non existing facts ourselves.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Oct 29 2006, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:HAHAHA: It's because were too lazy to find the non existing facts ourselves.</div>And because Jerry West never played in the ABA.
