Trade Larry Nance Jr traded to Portland

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  1. B-Roy

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    The comparison with Turner only makes sense if they used Turner as a center and as the primary PnR big. I don't have the numbers off the top of my head, but I'm willing to bet they did not do that much with Turner. He was mostly the second point guard or relegated to the corner.

    The analysis is suggesting that Nance can be the guy who plays off the short roll. Sometimes Dame can't make that pass when he's doubled, and if the ball arrives in Nance's hands past the three point line then it's not really much different than giving the ball up to CJ/Turner or anyone else. But if Dame can make the short roll pass, Nance has so far done a much better job than anyone else we've had in the past playing 4 on 3, except maybe 18-19 Nurk.
     
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    What I see Golden State do often, when there is a double team on the perimeter, they send the open "role" player to somewhere about half way to the hoop, quickly pass to him and that guy attacks the basket either directly or passes to another teammate, usually another "role player" who has run in near the hoop. It seems to always result in a score.
    I don't think you need special players to do this. You need to be prepared to do it, then do it.
     
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    i basically brought that up too….no answer.
     
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    again, 6 times in the previous 7 playoffs, Portland has faced a team that went 'full-bore-stop-Dame'. We've all seen it

    in those 6 series Portland's record has been 3-24. That's when teammates have been Aldridge & Batum & CJ & Aminu & Harkless & Curry & Turner & Kanter & Melo. 3-24; that's an 11% winning percentage. I know people have all kinds of theories about how Nance will change the equation. But the idea that he's the key to somehow flip an 11% winning percentage to at least a 57% winning percentage is a bridge too far for me. I think Portland needs a much better #2 than simply a better #4 or #5.

    I'm not saying it's impossible. I just don't find it very credible
     
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    percentages based on the players you listed that were on the team before. Nance was not on the team and may very well have changed those percentages had he been.
    Numbers are out the window because the x factor we are liking was not on the team and the players you listed sucked at that type of thing as @Predator specifically noted.

    what are the numbers for the trap so far this year?
    Then lets check back in a other 15-20 games and see if they have improved from today.

    im willing to bet all your percentage stats go out the window this year.
     
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    apparently you missed I was talking about the playoffs, not "15 or 20" games in the regular season. Playoffs are a lot different than the regular season
     
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    Gotcha. Well when we smoke our first round opponent and nance is getting close to triple doubles, ill ask you to eat crow. Lol. :)
     
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    Saw your post after mine or else I would’ve just replied to yours and said “this”
     
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    no worries. I was just thinking we were being ignored but weisen corrected me on that. :)
     
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    Some of us also think that it’s not just about Nance, but also about having a coach that belongs in the NBA rather than coaching 1st grade basketball.

    You’ll never convince me that winning percentage isn’t a direct result of having a shit head coach who can’t make adjustments to save his life.

    Now, as you said. It’s probably not enough to go from 11% to 57%.

    But that 11% number means absolutely nothing to this team because we don’t know what our percentage would’ve been with Nance, Billups and an integrated Powell. It’s completely different team and schemes now. So it’s possible that 11% could be 30% just from adding Billups.. So we are actually trying to make up 27% and not 46% if that makes sense. It’s also possible it could be 0% and we need to make up all 57%.

    Portland probably does need a better #2. But that’s not what this was about. I don’t recall anyone saying Nance = championship. I recall them saying that he is a better option than the people you listed and he could help us win *more*… which at 11% from the previous administration shouldn’t exactly be that difficult.

    So are you moving the goal posts to Nance won’t win us a championship (duh)?
     
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    Kinda funny how SVG keeps talking on the broadcast about how Dame is destroying the blitz defense right now.

    - The Nuggets are missing they’re 3 best players, doesn’t mean much.
     
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    To be fair, none of the three players missing are a big part of their defense. Or at least, not in blitzing Lillard (Jokic has become a pretty decent team defender, but he's not going to be a big part of doubling Lillard).
     
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    Portland & Denver have met twice in the playoffs and the Nuggets haven't really 'blitzed' Dame either time. They focused on him in 2018-19, but that was by putting their best perimeter defender on him and occasionally trapping him in certain parts of the floor. At screens, their bigs would hedge more toward Dame; while not hedging toward CJ or any other ball-handler.

    last year, Denver just played Dame straight because they didn't have any real perimeter length on defense. Dame averaged 34 & 10 with a PER of 25 and a 62% TS mark. I don't know if the Nuggets made the bet that the other Blazers wouldn't give Dame enough support or if the injuries left them no choice. If it was a bet, it was a good one
     
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    His USG rating is lower against the Nuggets than the “blitzing” warriors. Still haven’t countered that yet…
     
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    I think Jokic is a big part of the reason that their rotations were a little off

    MPJr probably missing is a defensive boon for them though lol
     
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