<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Iguodala:</div><div class="quote_post"> LMAO!! Lebron hasn't even made it to the Playoffs. SO if lebron can score as much as he wants how come he doesn't have 62 points in one game. Ever since T-mac got to the rockets he made everyone around him better look at Yao mings numbers now and Plus. Lebron plays more minutes too</div> What are u laughing at. 62 pts in a magic team that had no offense. He was their only option on offense. He got the ball all the time. He was a ballhog in the Magic. LBJ has scored 41 in a game and he's only a sophomore. Not to mention that he HAD 13 ASSISTS IN THAT GAME. That means he scored 41 but he still dished the ball to get open shots for his teammates. 41 points and 13 assists is way more impressive than 62 pts considering he participated in 67+ points. Don't mention the playoffs like I said because Cleveland is a rebuilding team and LBJ has only been in the league for 2 years. T-Mac hasnt even passed the 1st round. LBJ has also made the players around him better. Ilguaskas, Gooden, etc all had very good years. The meltdown was due to the firing of Silas and the lack of a shooter in the team.
Lebron has tremendous potential and I think he will take the spot from T-Mac EVENTUALLY. T Mac has a better all around game and once Lebron makes the playoffs, then we can start to compare him to others, but now when he hasn't even reached the playoffs is just stupid. One of the reasons Lebron was so ready at his early age was his NBA ready body, something T-Mac lacked and also he played under a superstar in VC while Lebron had the team his first year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron has tremendous potential and I think he will take the spot from T-Mac EVENTUALLY. T Mac has a better all around game and once Lebron makes the playoffs, then we can start to compare him to others, but now when he hasn't even reached the playoffs is just stupid. One of the reasons Lebron was so ready at his early age was his NBA ready body, something T-Mac lacked and also he played under a superstar in VC while Lebron had the team his first year.</div> Better all around player? Did I mention that Lebron scores more and has more assists also? This year LBJ will make the playoffs. They've finally added shooters to the league and better depth at the bench. Cleveland has been great building a supporting cast for LBJ. LBJ was better in highschool than T-Mac was and whats with this body gossip? LBJ worked to have that body, its not something thats given to him. If T-Mac wouldve played well then he would've started but he didnt impress since he was considered a show-off his first years. LBJ showed maturity and skills so thats why he started.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">What are u laughing at. 62 pts in a magic team that had no offense. He was their only option on offense. He got the ball all the time. He was a ballhog in the Magic. LBJ has scored 41 in a game and he's only a sophomore. Not to mention that he HAD 13 ASSISTS IN THAT GAME. That means he scored 41 but he still dished the ball to get open shots for his teammates. 41 points and 13 assists is way more impressive than 62 pts considering he participated in 67+ points. Don't mention the playoffs like I said because Cleveland is a rebuilding team and LBJ has only been in the league for 2 years. T-Mac hasnt even passed the 1st round. LBJ has also made the players around him better. Ilguaskas, Gooden, etc all had very good years. The meltdown was due to the firing of Silas and the lack of a shooter in the team. </div> Yeah but when T-mac was in Orlando who else was there to pass to?... And i was laughing at the comment you made 'LBJ will be and already is twice the player T-mac will ever be' Everyone here knows thats not true ... Put Lebron James in Orlando with the same teammates t-mac had and see how he would struggle Just My Opinion
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron has tremendous potential and I think he will take the spot from T-Mac EVENTUALLY. T Mac has a better all around game and once Lebron makes the playoffs, then we can start to compare him to others, but now when he hasn't even reached the playoffs is just stupid. One of the reasons Lebron was so ready at his early age was his NBA ready body, something T-Mac lacked and also he played under a superstar in VC while Lebron had the team his first year.</div> Correct Lebron came to the Cavs as the 'One Guy" t-mac had to prove that he was good since VC got the starting Position
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Manchurian Candidate:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, he wasnt that good considering they traded him and kept VC.</div> What a mistake they made
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Iguodala:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but when T-mac was in Orlando who else was there to pass to?... And i was laughing at the comment you made 'LBJ will be and already is twice the player T-mac will ever be' Everyone here knows thats not true ... Put Lebron James in Orlando with the same teammates t-mac had and see how he would struggle Just My Opinion</div> T-Mac couldve passed the ball more, he had garrity, gooden etc. He had an okay staff. Lebron's staff was not much better but at least they didnt lose 61 games. Lebron hasnt struggled considered all the acolades he has already won. This year the Cavs will have a breakout year and have a very good season and make the playoffs. They'll probably go farther than the rockets will. You also mentioned LBJ didnt have no1 to battle for the position right? Thats why they drafted him #1 in the draft. LBJ will have a career much more successful than T-Mac will.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">T-Mac couldve passed the ball more, he had garrity, gooden etc. He had an okay staff. Lebron's staff was not much better but at least they didnt lose 61 games. Lebron hasnt struggled considered all the acolades he has already won. This year the Cavs will have a breakout year and have a very good season and make the playoffs. They'll probably go farther than the rockets will. You also mentioned LBJ didnt have no1 to battle for the position right? Thats why they drafted him #1 in the draft. LBJ will have a career much more successful than T-Mac will.</div> You'r probably right since t-mac had to make his way to a star not like LBJ who came in as a star... And yes he probably will but you can't say he already is twice thew player t-mac is..
Once Again LBJ was'nt born a star, You act like LBJ never practiced to be where he's at. Like he was ready for the NBA when he was 1 year old. LBJ was a star because he dominated high school and showed alot of talent. He practiced hard and developed all his skills.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">Totally disagree. The 1st 2 years are a preview of whats going 2 happen for the next 10 years. Lebron is already better than Tracy. .</div> The first 2 years don't say anything about the future. You can "fantasize" on what Lebron will be in 5 years, but "right now" he isn't better than Tmac. Lebrons numbers are better, but that's a little decieving because the Rockets are a better team than Cleveland. Tmac doesn't handle the ball as much, and doesn't have to score nearly as much (but trust me he can). Cleveland didn't even make the playoffs in the weak East. Mcgrady led the Rockets to 50+ wins in the hardest division in the league, why are we even having this conversation?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">The first 2 years don't say anything about the future. You can "fantasize" on what Lebron will be in 5 years, but "right now" he isn't better than Tmac. Lebrons numbers are better, but that's a little decieving because the Rockets are a better team than Cleveland. Tmac doesn't handle the ball as much, and doesn't have to score nearly as much (but trust me he can). Cleveland didn't even make the playoffs in the weak East. Mcgrady led the Rockets to 50+ wins in the hardest division in the league, why are we even having this conversation?</div> Umm, they still didnt go anywhere because they lost in the 1st round. We cant fantasize of what LBJ is gonna be but we know he's going 2 be better than T-mac and is going to be a great player. How are Lebron's stats deceiving because of the the teams. T-mac has such a better surrounding cast then LBJ Does. Lebron only had Gooden and Z last year while T-mac had Yao, Barry, Wesley, sura etc. T-mac does get the ball alot. Its not like T-mac and Lebron have the ball all the time. They both had pg's that passed to them. Cleveland's collapse was due to the bad surrounding cast and the firing of Silas like I said. LBJ is already better then T-Mac and this year LBJ will have a mvp type season and theyre going 2 make the playoffs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">Umm, they still didnt go anywhere because they lost in the 1st round. We cant fantasize of what LBJ is gonna be but we know he's going 2 be better than T-mac and is going to be a great player. How are Lebron's stats deceiving because of the the teams. T-mac has such a better surrounding cast then LBJ Does. Lebron only had Gooden and Z last year while T-mac had Yao, Barry, Wesley, sura etc. T-mac does get the ball alot. Its not like T-mac and Lebron have the ball all the time. They both had pg's that passed to them. Cleveland's collapse was due to the bad surrounding cast and the firing of Silas like I said. LBJ is already better then T-Mac and this year LBJ will have a mvp type season and theyre going 2 make the playoffs.</div> Your a Lebron fan, so that's why you seem so optimistic. Again, Tmac can put up Lebrons numbers anyday. Under Jeff Van Gundy, his game is little more controlled than previous years. But the Rockets will be better because of it. Lebron is a great young talent, but you guys do him no justice by overhyping the kid. He isn't better than Mcgady, and might not ever be. People say he's the next Jordan, but I dought he'll become the next Kobe. His first two years were exciting, but exciting doesn't equivalate to wins. Tmac put up better numbers in Orlando, his numbers dropped in Houston, but the Rockets are now considered contenders. So stats might be deceiving. Bottom line, besides Kobe, nobody can take over a game in the clutch like Mcgady. Not only has he toned down his game, but he's a defensive stopper now also. Something Lebron isn't close too.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Your a Lebron fan, so that's why you seem so optimistic. Again, Tmac can put up Lebrons numbers anyday. Under Jeff Van Gundy, his game is little more controlled than previous years. But the Rockets will be better because of it. Lebron is a great young talent, but you guys do him no justice by overhyping the kid. He isn't better than Mcgady, and might not ever be. People say he's the next Jordan, but I dought he'll become the next Kobe. His first two years were exciting, but exciting doesn't equivalate to wins. Tmac put up better numbers in Orlando, his numbers dropped in Houston, but the Rockets are now considered contenders. So stats might be deceiving. Bottom line, besides Kobe, nobody can take over a game in the clutch like Mcgady. Not only has he toned down his game, but he's a defensive stopper now also. Something Lebron isn't close too.</div> Im a NYK fan not a Cavs fan. Like you said Lebron is putting up better numbers in a worse team. You mentioned T-Mac's career in orlando. The Magic never finished a season 8 games over .500 and had theyre worst year with them. Only 21 wins. Im not overhyping anybody. You're overrating T-Mac. Why isnt he better then MCgrady? He puts up better numbers in the big 3 categories. LBJ is clutch also, he's come through alot of times. Now LBJ isnt better than KB8 because Kobe got the wins, acolades, and all those winning seasons but LBJ is better then T-Mac because he's a better leader. LBJ has better stats than McGrady and he has 4 less years in the L. He's led an average team to a winning record. LBJ shouldve made the playoffs. But this year the cavs are a plug-in. In the playoffs we'll see the real LBJ. And maybe theyll pass the 1st round, something T-mac could never do.
Cleveland had 2 all-stars and they couldn't make it to the playoff? Come on now... Yes T-mac has Yao but Lebron has Big Z. And the rockets faced toughers teams in the western conference.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post"> Lebron is already better than Tracy... LBJ will be and already is twice the player T-mac will ever be.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We cant fantasize of what LBJ is gonna be but we know he's going 2 be better than T-mac and is going to be a great player.</div> Why don't you show some "skillz" and not contradict yourself. Lebron will <u>possibly</u> be better that TMac but not right now. Like someone said you can look at the stats or you can watch them play each other and see the obviouse difference.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Richy-Rich:</div><div class="quote_post">Why don't you show some "skillz" and not contradict yourself. Lebron will <u>possibly</u> be better that TMac but not right now. Like someone said you can look at the stats or you can watch them play each other and see the obviouse difference.</div> THEN LOOK AT THE STATS. LEBRON IS BETTER AT EVERY CATEGORY. Im looking foward for them playing each other. T-Mac had such a better team then LBJ had. Like i said he had Yao, Wesley, Barry, Sura, Mike James, etc. Those are shooters which Lebron never had. Welsch and Harris were supposed to be shooters but they were unaffective just like everyone else in that cleveland bench except varejao. Overall T-Mac had a better coach and a better supporting cast. Now that Lebron has that, the Cavs are going 2 win alot of games. And why dont u see the effect of Lebron on the Cavs. Last year they had a winning record. The year before Lebron came they only had 17 wins. Then they had 38 and 42. Thats a dramatic change. On the other hand nothing changed in Houston with the departure of Steve francis because they still lost in the first round.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">THEN LOOK AT THE STATS. LEBRON IS BETTER AT EVERY CATEGORY. Im looking foward for them playing each other. T-Mac had such a better team then LBJ had. Like i said he had Yao, Wesley, Barry, Sura, Mike James, etc. Those are shooters which Lebron never had. Welsch and Harris were supposed to be shooters but they were unaffective just like everyone else in that cleveland bench except varejao. Overall T-Mac had a better coach and a better supporting cast. Now that Lebron has that, the Cavs are going 2 win alot of games. And why dont u see the effect of Lebron on the Cavs. Last year they had a winning record. The year before Lebron came they only had 17 wins. Then they had 38 and 42. Thats a dramatic change. On the other hand nothing changed in Houston with the departure of Steve francis because they still lost in the first round.</div> Ever since t-mac came to the rockets everybodys stats are up T-mac is a better Team leader watch Larry's numbers they will go down this year he won't get the ball as much
It's because of those shooters that Tmac doesn't average as many points. It's a two way street, team mates can either help or hurt stats. Do you really think C Webb is garbage? He'll adjust but I'm just making an example of these effects. Tmac is a better scorer by far, defender by far, and leader by far. these qualities have little to do with stats. Ron Artest could average 5 more points a game he's just in a system that doesn't need him to.
