OT LeBron James said Kyle Rittenhouse should 'knock it off' after the teen cried during murder trial

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  1. calvin natt

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    again. For the millionth time. Keep your guns. If people want to play army man fine. Just need more regulation and enforcement of harsh penalties when not following the law. Someone should be petrified of having a gun, using a gun, etc outside the rules. And one of those rules should be that a 17 year old can’t prance around a protest with it strapped over his shoulder so he can pretend he’s a badass.
     
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    nooooo 2nd amendment advocates know that what you described has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. It has to do with equal rights and treatment…

    wrong thread?
     
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    agreed, but for a gazzilionth time i was directing my post at chris who said basically guns haven't done good…

    Im even for bullet regulation. But need the details clearly outlined.
     
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    Its pretty simple.
    Take Barfo away.
    Now only quality conversations are left.
    I know that's not what you want.
     
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    Privilege has nothing to do with these situations.

    Local regulations are being applied to each situation as conditions dictate. The judge dismissed the firearm charge against Rittenhouse due to ambiguity in the state law.

    I don't think Telfair should be headed to jail for owning a gun... but I also didn't vote for the laws which make owning a firearm a criminal offense.

    Those supporting the 2nd amendment sees this is a major issue - but they are also not the ones that created the inequity in the laws.
     
  6. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    The point is, 'if you outlaw X, then only outlaws will have/do X' is not a good argument. It implies there's no point in outlawing anything.

    barfo
     
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    Okayyy.. but what good has meth provided? I showed good from guns already.

    You aren't really comparing apples to apples.
    Your implication is faulty.
    What good samaritan or citizen is holding onto meth for good intentions?

    This implication doesnt seem logical to me…
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Not really, but I suppose I shouldn't post while on conference calls - I could have made the point in a better way.

    Suppose I'm a pirate who steals only from the rich gives all his booty to the poor. Wait, not a pirate. An Englishman who lives in the forest.

    I have only noble intentions, and yet there is a law against my actions. Sheriff Buford T. Justice is on my tail. Wait, wrong sheriff.

    If robbing the rich is outlawed, only outlaws will rob from the rich.

    barfo
     
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    sorry still not following. Robbing anyone is illegal so im confused.
    There are already only criminals who rob. Its already a law.
    Owning a gun (legally) is legal.
    Are there provisions making certain robberies legal im not aware of?

    Currently there are guns in good peoples hands and bad. Take them from the good ( cause the bad wont follow a new law and hand their guns over) leaves the guns only in the hands of bad guys.
    Not sure any analogy is out there making this seem like a bad point.
    But if you have one im all for trying to understand it. So far i have failed in understanding your point, as neither scenario is comparing apples to apples.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Sure. Some things are currently outlawed, some things are not. That's not itself a good reason for things to be outlawed or not, that's simply the current status.

    We can change laws when/if we decide to.

    Outlaws don't follow laws, that's the definition of outlaws.

    The definition of outlaw doesn't determine what the laws should be.

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    im not even close to following you. You basically just said what i said. Outlaws are outlaws.

    I never said an outlaw should determine a law. As a matter of fact, that's what most have implied in their posts. because some outlaws abuse guns, lets change the laws and outlaw guns(i know outlaw guns wasn't specifically mentioned) but its the overall tone/vibe.
    Wouldnt that be allowing outlaws to dictate the law?

    So again, im failing to see what your point is.
     
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    If it was illegally purchased why did the prosecution drop the charges?

    I agree. Telfair shouldn't be going to prison. The law they said he broke is a stupid law. But that's what you get with stupid gun laws. More people suffering for no reason.
     
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    Prohibition doesn't work... I would certainly agree with that.
     
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    You pretty much did. You said (or at least I understood your argument to be) that we shouldn't outlaw guns because then only outlaws would have guns.

    That's explicitly letting (the existence of) outlaws determine the law. It's saying we shouldn't make a law because people will break the law.

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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    And yet, there are reasons to prohibit things, even if the prohibition doesn't stop them from happening.

    I doubt anyone is in favor of making murder legal, even though that law has been on the books for centuries and has utterly failed to eradicate murder.

    barfo
     
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    Oh boy.. thats one way to completely twist it around….


    No…. People are already breaking the law. You are advocating a law that does nothing but hinder good people while doing nothing to hinder the criminals…
     
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    Or lets better equate this to the war on drugs. Making them illegal, as it has been pointed out to me, has done nothing but drive the price up. Deuggies are still going to get drugs and criminals will still get guns.
    The only change would be good people will not have the ability to defend themselves with guns against bad people with guns.

    sorry i was taught to never bring a knife to a gun fight and the stance of making guns illegal is basically forcing me to do so.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Not advocating for any law, pointing out the logical flaw in your defense of the status quo.

    Any law will have lawbreakers, aside from completely obsolete/bizarre ones (e.g. illegal in MO to drive with an uncaged bear in the car).

    barfo
     
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    nah. I see your rebuttals as flawed logic. Nothing more.
    Not sure how anyone can dispute the following:


    Some bad people have guns
    Some good people have guns to protect themselves against the bad people with guns.

    Ban guns and the good people will abide and the bad people wont.

    So all thats left is criminals with guns and good people left defenseless.
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    There really isn't much more too it than that unless you are trying to fabricate some sort of semantically based rebuttal.

    if you disagree with that, thats your right, but i would consider your disagreement baseless unless you can somehow show me that good people can still legally get guns and protect themselves or that criminals will turn the corner and hand over thier guns.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That's fine, you don't have to agree with me.

    barfo
     

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