<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 22 2006, 07:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, he scored 62 in 3 quarters. You have it all mixed up. I dont care about individual game scoring accomplishments. Look at the averages. Kobe averages about 4 ppg more than Lebron. If yout hink about it, it's not that much when Lebron has a very high fg% and likes to pass the ball just as much as he likes to score. If you were watching Game 6 you could see it. Lebron basically attacked the rim and got to the line effortlessly. He is great at scoring points. WHEN he develops that consistent shot he will average 37 like Jordan did, trust me.</div>You shoulda watched the other Game 6, yeah the Lakers Suns Game 6. If you had watched that you'd see why Kobe is just flat out ridiculous. He got 50, 8, and 5 while playing all but 54 seconds of the game. He almost singlehandedly willed the Lakers to victory, scoring a ridiculous 16 points in the last minute + overtime, and hitting the most amazingly difficult shots I've ever seen. That game showed Kobe's heart, determination, skill level, and his lack of consistent teammates.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 22 2006, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Game 7 showed the other side of Kobe as well...</div>And game 7 didn't show the other side of Lebron? Lebron shot 1-9 from the floor in the second half. Stop hating because Kobe scored 81 points of the Raptors.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Lebron will learn to play defense, Coach Brown will obviously stress that during the off-season. He is only 21. Most 21 year olds also suck at defense. It will get better, just watch. I still think he is better than Kobe. More dominant scorer, yes. Better attacker, better rebounder, better leader, better passer, better inside game. Kobe is the better shooter and defender. But like Wade, Lebron doesnt need to have his shot going for him to score points. And besides, his jumper definately improved this year, it will improve even more by next season. Look at MJ. He was a bad shooter early on.</div>Lebron is the More dominate scorer? 81 points in a game (2nd ALLTIME) 62 points in 3 quarters55 points in a halfAveraged the most PPG in the 4th quarter...of all timeThats DOMINANT.
LeBron has yet to accomplish anything in the post-season besides what he did this year.Kobe averaged more ppg this season so even if he averaged only 4 more Kobe was still the better scorer.Defense wise Kobe made all-defensive first team while LeBron's weakpoint is defense.Clutch wise Kobe has made many more shots then LeBron has.The only thing LeBron has on Kobe so far is passing and rebounding and i'm sure if Kobe played at the 3 he would be averaging more rebounds as well.Again he is only 21 and still has alot of time left in the league but as far who I would take right now,Kobe.Obviously everyone would take LeBron over Kobe if your planning on building for the future.
Those are single game accomplishments. Look at the stats.Lebron: 31.4 ppg, .480 fg%Kobe: 35.4 ppg, .450 fg%You can argue both sides here but, who was the last person to average 30+ on .480 shooting??? Lebron likes to pass the ball alot more than Kobe. If Lebron took the amount of shots Kobe took he would have eclipsed Kobe in this.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 22 2006, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lebron likes to pass the ball alot more than Kobe. If Lebron took the amount of shots Kobe took he would have eclipsed Kobe in this.</div>If LeBron shot just as much as Kobe i'm sure his fg% will drop also.Kobe has to score more points because of the incosistency of his teamates,LeBron actually has a decent center to work with while Kobe has Kwame Brown.What do single game stats prove?You can score as many points as you want but your career will always be overlooked because of the fact you never won a championship.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Those are single game accomplishments. Look at the stats.Lebron: 31.4 ppg, .480 fg%Kobe: 35.4 ppg, .450 fg%You can argue both sides here but, who was the last person to average 30+ on .480 shooting??? Lebron likes to pass the ball alot more than Kobe. If Lebron took the amount of shots Kobe took he would have eclipsed Kobe in this.</div>Single game stats or not. Being a dominant scorer is focused on single game accomplishments. 81 points is dominating. 55 points in one half is dominating. 62 points in 3 quarters is dominating.
Right now I would say Kobe by a hair. But seriously what is wrong with some of the people here?? Anyone saying Lebron has better D or scoring must not watch basketball. Also, people act like Kobe just disregards his teammates, well it would be a lot easier to give the ball up if you had confidence in your supporting cast which the lakers simply dont have. And its not like he's not trying to get his teammates involved, how do you think a guy like smush parker, a complete no name until this season got so much recognition early in the year and was one of the reasons the lakers studdered in the playoffs. Im not trying to diss the lakers, but if you have to rely on a player who couldnt make 10th man on most teams before the seasons start in the playoffs to win a series, thats sad.Lets take a look at kobes help herepg-smush "who?" parkersg- kobe himself, only good player on the rostersf- an underachieving, though amazingly talented Lamar Odom who is incredibly streaky, but mostly in a bad waypf-kwame "bust" brown who couldnt even put up consistant stat lines against the rediculously easy defense of tim thomas and the rest of phoenix's terrible post players.c- Chris Mihm, just plain bad.........I wont even get into the bench.
Like i always said. Overall Lebron is better . Lebron gets his team in the game. Yeah kobe did it in the playoffs but you know he didnt want to. Lebron trust his team way more then kobe. Lebron better rebounder and passer. Kobe is a better defender.But if i had to pick one of them to be on my team rite now it will be lebron
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BuLLzDoMaIn @ May 23 2006, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Like i always said. Overall Lebron is better . Lebron gets his team in the game. Yeah kobe did it in the playoffs but you know he didnt want to. Lebron trust his team way more then kobe. Lebron better rebounder and passer. Kobe is a better defender.But if i had to pick one of them to be on my team rite now it will be lebron</div>?? You know Kobe didnt want to get his team in the game? Yeah I'm real sure he was dying to be eliminated. Everyone knows the blame is on Kobe when they lose if he shoots 5 shots or 50 shots, he is ALWAYS the one to blame. People just think Kobe completely just doesnt want to share the ball, and seriously, with his supporting cast, and the fact that he KNOWS that he is the leagues best player, why would he give it to his incapable teammates??
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Delonte4Prez @ May 25 2006, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>?? You know Kobe didnt want to get his team in the game? Yeah I'm real sure he was dying to be eliminated. Everyone knows the blame is on Kobe when they lose if he shoots 5 shots or 50 shots, he is ALWAYS the one to blame. People just think Kobe completely just doesnt want to share the ball, and seriously, with his supporting cast, and the fact that he KNOWS that he is the leagues best player, why would he give it to his incapable teammates??</div> That's all Kobe fans ever say about people who rant on him. A player shouldn't be too unselfish or too selfish and whenever phil tells him to do one or the other he overdoes it, as shown in the playoffs against the Suns. Kobe is one of the best players in the league but one man can't take down an entire team, he can rely on Odom and Brown just fine they're not incapable. LeBron shows that he is not as selfish as Kobe, a better attacker, a better shooter, and all the while he's still unselfish. Plus he still averages nearly the same amount. Not only this but the king is much younger than Kobe.
I think Kobe is better barely but because he has been in the league longer.LeBron had the better season though and the better playoffs. And he will be better in the future.I can give more details if you need me too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ Jun 15 2006, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Kobe is better barely but because he has been in the league longer. LeBron had the better season though and the better playoffs. And he will be better in the future. I can give more details if you need me too.</div> Please do, the little time that LeBron is in the league it seems as though he's developed as much as Kobe has, give some more reasons please.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jun 15 2006, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Please do, the little time that LeBron is in the league it seems as though he's developed as much as Kobe has, give some more reasons please.</div>Ok, well I don't know which one you want, so I will just give my opinions for both of them.I think LeBron will be better, and LeBron is off to a better start then Kobe was, but Kobe has been in the league longer and has more time to develop and win championships and have more clutch moments. Because of his experience, Kobe is a better player, but not for long. I think LeBron is a better leader (Kobe has an ego problem in my eyes, game 7 against the Suns showed that. He sat out like the last 8mins).As to why LeBron had the better year, I have used this a lot but, I am talking in this post as"If the MVP was between Kobe and James."I only ever get two reasons as to why Kobe should have gotten MVP or as to why Kobe did better than LeBron this year.1 - Kobe is an amazing scorer, look at his 81 point game.That was a great job by Kobe, but scoring points doesn't buy you the MVP. Kobe had two assists that game. The game Kobe scored 62 in 3 quaters, he had zero assists that game. You don't get the MVP for being a ball hog. I am not taking away from what he did by saying he should pass more, what I am saying is that he didn't do enough in that game (besides score) that was good enough to give it MVP consideration.Kobe didn't even finish the year in the top 100 players for the most double-doubles on the year. What this means is, Kobe scores at least 10 points every night. So that means Kobe hasn't been able to get any other stats to 10 or more, not on assists, on rebounds, or anything. Just scoring. I mean that isn't to big a deal, a double-double is hard to get. But to not even be in the top 100, that is not so good for the arguement of Kobe>LeBron. Who did get in the top 100? Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, and Lamar Odom.Kobe was tied at 111 with 4 double doubles on the year.Kobe scores, that is all he has done in this regular season. Lamar Odom is just as much a key factor for the Lakers as Kobe has been, that was true in the playoffs too.2 - Kobe has made his team better. They would suck without him.This is the most used arguement So what Kobe made his team better. Every all-star in the league has made his team better. LeBron, Nash, KG, Kobe, and on and on. If LeBron wasn't on the Cavs, do you honestly think they would have made the playoffs? No, the Cavs wouldn't have. It is pretty much Kobe and his ego's fault that he has the team he has now anyways.You can't use the playoffs to argue your point about who should have got MVP because the MVP is for the regular season. According to the MVP, the playoffs haven't even happend yet. But I am going to say this about the playoffs, Kobe was amazing. Even though he didn't score a lot, he played amazing in the playoffs as did the Lakers. Then game 7 rolled around and Kobe didn't. Kobe was not an allstar player that game. Kobe sat out the last 8mins, the leader of the team quit.--------Remember now, Larry Hughes had a broken finger the whole year, and he was out many games because of it.LeBron averaged only four less points than Kobe and LeBron had higher everything else. So Kobe was on a worse team, what did he do for them? He squeezed them into a 7th seed so that they could lose in the first round. LeBron got the Cavs to the 4th seed, they may not have even made the playoffs if LeBron wasn't on the team. LeBron also almost got them to beat the number one team in the league (Pistons) in the playoffs. LeBron has lead the whole playoffs in tripple doubles with two. LeBron James was in second place for most tripple-doubles in the league with 6. LeBron was 25 in the league for most double-doubles with 21. Kobe was in 111th place with 4.Kobe' team: .549 winning percentage.LeBron's team: .610 winning percentage.Right now this very second, I think Kobe is the better player. But LeBron will soon pass him for that title.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ May 22 2006, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If LeBron shot just as much as Kobe i'm sure his fg% will drop also.Kobe has to score more points because of the incosistency of his teamates,LeBron actually has a decent center to work with while Kobe has Kwame Brown.What do single game stats prove?You can score as many points as you want but your career will always be overlooked because of the fact you never won a championship.</div>I'm sorry, but no matter what you tell me, I'd take anyone over Zydrunas Ilgauskas. He's slow, has one post move that isnt effective, and 90% of the time he gets the ball in the post hes gonna go up with it. He cant rebound or block shots. I'd take Kwame over Zydrunas "The Black Hole" Ilgauskas any day.As for LeBron v. Kobe, I may be biased because I'm such a fan of LeBron, and I've been following him since he was about 16. But all favortism aside, LeBron is still better than Kobe. LeBron is hands down, the best player in the league. You can tell me what you want about Kobe's ability to score, but LBJ and D-Wade have a talent that no other great scorer in the L right now has. Someone said it earlier in this thread, that LeBron can score within the game, he never has to force the issue, and still puts up 30+ a night. Unlike Iverson or Kobe, LeBron wont hold the ball for 20 seconds and put up a jumper, and if he does hold it, hes smart enough to get to the rim because of his amazing athleticism. Kobe, and AI, and all these other so-called, GREAT scorers have to dominate the ball to dominate the game. LBJ doesnt. If Kobe wasnt such a self-centered, arrogant idiot, that cares only about getting himself on freakin' Sports Center, he'd be twice the player that he is. Kobe needs to learn to stop settling for jumpers because no matter how good of a shooter you are a dunk is always going to be the highest percentage shot in the game, and with Kobe's amazing gift of athleticism and his ability to finish, you'd think he might learn something from LBJ about going to the rim. LeBron averaged 3-4 less points on 6-7 less shots a night. That's not right.I'll give you that Kobe is the best talent in the league, but being a great player isnt always about talent and talent alone. For example, Rudy Gay is easily the most talented and gifted player in the draft, but theres no way he'll go first because he's not yet a great player, just a great talent.Anyway, in conclusion, LeBron is the better player, while Kobe is the greater talent. Also, keep in mind that LeBron is already a much smarter basketball player at 21 than Kobe is at 27, and he's only going to get better, so if you dont think LBJ has already surpassed Kobe, it has to be inevitable to you that he is going to far surpass him within the next 5 years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AmBitIoNz23 @ Jun 16 2006, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry, but no matter what you tell me, I'd take anyone over Zydrunas Ilgauskas. He's slow, has one post move that isnt effective, and 90% of the time he gets the ball in the post hes gonna go up with it. He cant rebound or block shots. I'd take Kwame over Zydrunas "The Black Hole" Ilgauskas any day.</div>7 ppg Kwame Brown over Zydrunas? That doesn't sound right, the same Kwame Brown that misses lay-ups with his horrible hands? I'm not a big fan of Z either but he is still one of the top centers in the east, 15 ppg and 7 rebounds is a good player. He isn't as bad as your making him sound here, hes an above average center who gets the job done, he fits fine in with Cleveland.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Jun 15 2006, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>7 ppg Kwame Brown over Zydrunas? That doesn't sound right, the same Kwame Brown that misses lay-ups with his horrible hands? I'm not a big fan of Z either but he is still one of the top centers in the east, 15 ppg and 7 rebounds is a good player. He isn't as bad as your making him sound here, hes an above average center who gets the job done, he fits fine in with Cleveland.</div>Z averages 15-7 because of LeBron. Sure he WAS good, like 5 years ago. But as a big man, one thing you have to love is someone who get to the hole like LeBron and dump it to you for the easy buckets. Kwame has played on a consistent loser in Washington, even though they win now, where the ball was dominated by Larry Hughes and Gilbert Arenas, and now plays in a system where the ball is dominated by Kobe. I bet you if Kwame played with LBJ has averages would skyrocket because he'd be playing with a star, who doesnt dominate the ball and is an amazing passer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AmBitIoNz23 @ Jun 16 2006, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Z averages 15-7 because of LeBron. Sure he WAS good, like 5 years ago. But as a big man, one thing you have to love is someone who get to the hole like LeBron and dump it to you for the easy buckets. Kwame has played on a consistent loser in Washington, even though they win now, where the ball was dominated by Larry Hughes and Gilbert Arenas, and now plays in a system where the ball is dominated by Kobe. I bet you if Kwame played with LBJ has averages would skyrocket because he'd be playing with a star, who doesnt dominate the ball and is an amazing passer.</div>He has to start off by learning to catch the ball when they pass it to him, Kwame is by no means better then Z. Even with LeBron or not Z has put up consistent numbers when he was in Cleveland, the season Bron came he had a career year before, from 17 pgg to 15 after LeBron. Kwame has never been good, he has gotten a chance to play everywhere he goes but he doesn't prove anyone wrong.It seems like your blaming Kwame for having Kobe as a teamate, guess what hes the one that needs to demand the ball. Kwame is still immature and has some horrible hands, anyone will take consistent Z over the incosistent Kwame.
