Leonard's Breakout Game?

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  1. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    I'm not a hater, and I agree that it was good to see him with some strong possessions (especially in the first half), but on the other hand we also had... this.

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    Maybe a few more of those mediocre games and he can rebuild some of his trade value and we can use him to add a real piece.
     
  4. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    He heard Stotts yelling and thought he had no time; inexperience, that's all. I note also it was right on line, just short. :ghoti:

    It was the travel + goaltend doubleheader that made me shake my head.
     
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    Maybe so, but still. :D

    And the reactions of the other Blazers just crack me up.
     
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    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    When Mo thinks you're a ball hog taking a bad shot, you've done something truly special.
     
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  7. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    For a player who came into the league as young and raw as Meyers Leonard, there is no such thing as a breakout game. He's a long term project and a work in progress. There will be good games, bad games, mediocre games and DNP-CDs. Expect inconsistency, but as long as the overall trend is positive, I'm fine with that.

    But then, when it comes to Meyers Leonard, I've been a realist since day one. I knew when we drafted him, he was very young, very raw, very inexperienced and at least 3 to 4 years away from being a respectable NBA player. In other words, my expectations have always been realistic. The good news is I'm clearly seeing positive forward progress these last three games. First, he's playing meaningful minutes in close games against top notch competition - not just garbage time minutes against other scrubs in blowout victories.

    Most folks on this board thought Joel Freeland was worthless last season, that he looked every bit as lost, uncomfortable and clueless as Leonard. In some ways, especially on offense, he looked even worse than Leonard. Given Freeland's more advanced age and several seasons of professional experience in Europe, I was more disappointed in Freeland last season than Leonard. After all, we'd been told that JoelFreeland was the best big man outside of the NBA. But, look at the remarkable improvement Freeland has made in just one off season of hard work. To most in this forum, Freeland went from lost cause to fan favorite in a matter of six months. I recognized the improvement in Freeland, his vastly improved interior defense and rebounding early in the preseason and picked him as my Cult Hero before the season started.

    And guess what, I'm starting to see the same type improvement with Meyers Leonard. Oh sure, he still makes the occasional boneheaded play - a "rookie" mistake. I know he's not technically a rookie anymore, but he is still very inexperienced, very young, still adjusting to his body and learning the NBA game. But overall, I'm seeing a lot more good than bad from Leonard these days and that's a clear step in the right direction. I almost posted something about Leonard's progress after the Clippers game, but I get tired of the haters constantly shitting all over this kid, no matter what he does. But haters are always gonna hate. It's what they do and helps them feel good about themselves.

    I first noticed in the NOP game that Meyers was much more active when rebounding, especially on the defensive end. He was much more focused and alert and rather than just standing around hoping the ball bounced his way he was actively pursuing rebounds and chasing down loose balls. Same thing, only even better against the Clippers and Heat. I also noticed some very Freelandesque defensive progress. He is getting much better position and like Freeland is going straight up with arms fully extended. That foul call on him against DeAndre Jordan was complete bullshit. If you watched the replay, Leonard played prefect defense on that play. He went straight up with arms fully extended, as he's allowed to do (and supposed to do) and Jordan swung his arm into Leonard. It should have been a non-call. Leonard altered the shot and prevented the easy field goal. He did what he was supposed to do - protect the rim. And, since Jordan missed both free throws, even though it was a bogus call, Leonard was successful and prevented an easy two points by playing proper defense.

    I know the sample size is extremely small, but the stats (what we have) back up what I'm seeing with my eyes. Leonard is currently averaging 11.2 PTS/36 and 13.1 REB/36 (highest on the team). His PER = 14.8 and his TRB% is 19.8, again highest on the team and approaching elite level rebounding. His TS% of .611 is excellent. His ORTg (132 - highest on the team), DRTg (104 - tied for best on the team) and WS/48 (.187 - highest on the team) are all outstanding. Again, I recognize these numbers are all based on an extremely small sample size and will moderate over time as his PT increases, but it does show that he is being productive in the limited, but meaningful minutes he's playing.

    Most importantly, I've seen significant progress in the two areas most critics say Leonard needs to improve the most- defense and rebounding. I've seen it with my eyes and the numbers back it up. He's a few months behind Joel Freeland, but he's learning the same things now that Freeland learned over the summer. At this point, rebounding and good position defense are second nature for Freeland. You can count on him to give you steady, solid, if unspectacular play, night in and night out. Leonard still looks like he needs to think about what he's supposed to do, but the good news is he's thinking about and doing the right things more and more. Eventually, it will become second nature to him like it has to Freeland.

    Sure, he'll still make some dumb plays and have bad games, but if this type of overall progress continues, Leonard will become a solid rotation player and because he's younger, taller, more athletic and has better offensive skills, he will eventually become an even better version of the player Joel Freeland has become. Given how little Leonard has actually played this season, his progress these last three games is ahead of where I would expect it to be. He's obviously working hard in practice. His coach has noticed and is rewarding him with increased playing time. Good for him. I hope his increased role will inspire him to continue to work hard and get better.

    BNM
     
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  8. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Evidently so does Coach Stotts. He likes Leonard's hair so much he has rewarded him with a spot in the rotation and increased playing time. Forget a big man coach, what this team needs is a better stylist!

    BNM
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yeah, he thought the shot clock was expiring and launched a shot at the rim to avoid the 24-second violation. His instincts were correct, but his timing was off by about 4 seconds. He had his back to the basket and could not see the shot clock. His court awareness will continue to improve with more PT. Yeah, it was a dumb play, but only one of two shots he missed and does not negate the 6 points and 5 rebounds he had in 11 minutes. As long as he continues to rebound and defend like he has the past three games, I can tolerate the occasional "rookie" mistake as he continues to learn how to play at the NBA level.

    BNM
     
  10. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yeah, but if he ever perfects that shot, he's going to be impossible to guard!

    BNM
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    That was against the shot clock. Could it have been a better effort? Maybe. He could have gotten it to Damian with two seconds on the clock. He knew he was out of time but rushed it to beat the clock. He's a work in progress. No player on our team played a perfect game. Certainly not Lillard or Aldridge.
     
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    Repped. Great post and I agree with all of it.
     
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    The only way one could define any of his recent play as breakout games is if you expectations for him is non-NBA player. So, really any happiness about his current play is really an insult.

    Did he have a 20 pont game? No.
    Did he get 12 rebounds? No.
    Did he get a double double? No.
    Did he play OK? Yes.

    He got 6 points, 5 rebounds. The coach trusted him enough to play ELEVEN minutes.
    I'm as big a homer as most, but not that big.

    Low bar, people. Low, low bar.
     
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    I still don't believe he is giving us what Robinson did
     
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    Because you made up your mind a long time ago that you didn't like Leonard.
     
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    Not at all.

    I think it's because I believe this team needs defense badly, and Leonar_ sucks ass at it.
     
  19. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I tend to agree, but I'm also wondering if we're trying to showcase him.
     
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    this is very possible
     

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