Lesbian couple refused wedding cake files state discrimination complaint

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  1. BLAZINGGIANTS

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    I agree with this, and it's part of the reason I love Portland and have never had any desire to leave the metro area. But what I also find ironic is that trendy-grungy and hipster crowds in Portland aren't super accepting of those outside of it. The treatment I see and receive depending on how I'm dressed on any given day downtown or inner-East side can vary extremely significantly.
     
  2. magnifier661

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    Should KP get involved and announce that they should let the cake bake?
     
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    I wonder if there would have been any backlash had the bakery said we'll do it, but we would prefer you go elsewhere because we don't believe in gay marriage. In the nicest way possible
     
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    I'm sure there would have been. We tend to crucify those that see differently than us, and to the fullest extent. It appears to be part of human nature.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    That's why the baker should have just shot them in the face.
     
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    That would not have been very cool.

    I'm pretty sure that would have turned out worse because it would have been a violent hate crime, instead of just choosing to violate Oregon law because on one's religious belief.
     
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    So being shot in the face somehow makes my mind go into another thought on this topic (yes I am twisted)

    What if a doctor refuses to treat you because you are gay? Because you are Black? By the time the financial impact hits their business (which it probably wouldn't) the person is dead :) . . .
    OK maybe not, but you get the idea with the hypothetically being a life threatening injury vs a wedding cake.
     
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    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    OK nice that you are concerned for the bakery owner but that situation would have been much worse for the gay couple than anyone else . . . no matter what the laws are. :)
     
  9. BLAZINGGIANTS

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    What if a doctor refuses to treat you because you're sick and he's afraid of your illness?

    Speaking of which, ToB, you get your chlamydia under control yet?

    (I kid, I kid. :cheers:)
     
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    Oh! I wager they would make a cake and be pleased to have the business.

    However, make a Wedding Cake pushed them farther than they could go.
     
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    I believe anyone who is "married" under the aegis of the government should have that designation taken from them, including me. They should have a civil union.

    I think I believe in freedom much more than do you. You seem to want everyone to be free to think what they wish...as long as it's exactly what you think.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    It's freedom. I also have the freedom to boycott any business that doesn't serve blacks.

    Freedom is awesome and terrible both at the same time. Yet I far prefer it over someone dictating me what to think and do.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    My thought is that any business that discriminated on the basis of skin color would be ridden out of business on a rail...which is how it should be.

    I actually think allowing business to sell to whom they please would actually advance this country as their bigotry would be put in plain view for all to see. Right now people pretend they're not racist, but their dark thoughts are hidden between their ears. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
     
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    Hey! That might be spot on!
     
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    Well done, sir. I was waiting for someone to catch that. It was obviously a whole lotts sarcasm, but it brings this all to a point: the bakery owners are the ones that ended up injured in all of this. The gay couple "learned" there are people out there that don't believe in gay marriage (which, in fact, I'm assuming they already knew this). The gay couple may end up with money out of this. There are plenty of other bakeries that would make them a cake (I'm willing to bet they were given a super-duper cake for free out of this). So they're more than hole.

    The couple that own the bakery? Their business is hurt. Their religious beliefs have been trampled, and they've basically been forced to change their beliefs if they want to succeed.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not surprised it ended this way, and the bakery deserved the initial backlash. As I've said, I don't agree with their way of thinking. But I don't agree with the treatment the bakery received and the extended witch hunt was unnecessary and unfair, and in the end, in my eyes, the gay couple looks as bad as the bakery owners. "You won't tolerate us and our beliefs, we won't tolerate you and your beliefs and we'll destroy your livelihood." Yes, that will help the bakers see the light. They're probably going to hate gay people even more now.
     
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    You claim to believe in freedom. Yet, you got married, and you had to fight to marry.

    Everyone knows you lose your freedom as soon as you get married. So, you essentially fought to give up your freedom. :MARIS61:
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BLAZINGGIANTS again.

    That was damn funny...and heartbreakingly true.
     

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