Lesbian couple refused wedding cake files state discrimination complaint

I didn't get your cake response. I say let them eat cake (a Marie Antoinette reference) and you said you are pretty sure they do and that is why he have this situation. But isn't it the opposite, they did not them them eat cake and that is why we have this situation. Had they just served them with them with the cake, none of this would happened.

Anyways, I going to get some lunch . . . and some cake.

 

cake is pussy. (should be pie).

 

I knew El-P would at least get it.

 

Your rights to Freedom of Religion and the free exercise thereof means:
•The Freedom of Religion is an inalienable right.
•The First Amendment provides for the Freedom of Religion for all Americans.
•The Free Exercise Clause provides that government will neither control nor prohibit the free exercise of one’s religion.
•The government will remain neutral

 

No one is being forced to change their religious views. They are being "forced" to follow secular law. Like every citizen and resident of these United States. A bakery is not a church. The couple is being neither petty nor stupid. Any more than I was being petty and stupid when I said the place where I worked needed to follow the law.

 

so...the only rights that count are the rights tthat you agree with?

I dont follow an orgonized religion, so by your statement here, would I have no rights?

funny, I thought we all still had First Amendment rights

 

And if a Muslim business wanted to refuse a jewish couple?

 

What is your feeling about companies that sue for slander when someone writes a negative review?

 

lol, well, I am sure you would be ok with that...

 

Where did that come from? Of course, they can believe what they want. Even if it's stupid. And I follow no religion either, what has that to do with anything I said? However, any business is subject to secular law. Period. No exceptions. They can no more violate non discrimination laws than they can legally violate minimum wage, or health laws, or any other law. They do have First Amendment rights to talk publicly about how much they hate gay people. Or hate minimum wage. Or hate the fact that they can't have cockroaches and rats in their kitchen. Or anything else. Most business owners don't find that a good idea, but they have the right to say that stuff. They still have to follow the law. No exceptions.

The bakery may be private property but again, business follow laws or faces consequences. Just like individuals. It may be private property but this couple's taxes pay for their police and fire protection, pays for the health inspectors that certify the food is safe to eat, pays for the roads employees and customers use to get there, pays for the schools employees attend to learn basic skills and community colleges where people learn to bake. No need to send in a SWAT team. There are other ways to enforce the law, like what this couple did. Because otherwise you are sayiing straight couples have access to 100% of businesses (if they can pay, of course) but gay couples only have access to (100%-bigot) businesses.

 

The baker is an asshole for refusing to make the cake, but it's his right to be an asshole. The couple are assholes for dragging this into the courts, but it's their right to be assholes.

My advice to the couple would be to find a baker who wants their business. My advice to the baker would be to STFU and make the damned cake.

If this makes it to a court date, I hope the baker countersues for violation of the Free Exercise Clause...

 

I agree.

That said, Christian or not, it is shallow and wrong. They should have provided the cake.

 

I think this sums it up well.

 

You don't send a SWAT team, you hit them where it hurts which is in the pocketbook. Gov't can fine them (if warranted) and Jane Public can sue them for money. If Jane wins, I'm guessing the business will change their practices accordingly and they will bake the cake next time (without the use of SWAT)

Seems pretty obvious since that is what is happening here.

 

Seriously.

Fuck the baker.

Fuck the lesbian couple.

They're both stupid.

It should 100% be the bakers right not to make a cake for anyone for any reason.

 

Agreed.

 

So they can refuse to sell to Black people . . . or only offer week old cakes to Black people.