Lesbian couple refused wedding cake files state discrimination complaint

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by tlongII, Aug 14, 2013.

Moderators: 6

Moderators

  1. BrianFromWA
  2. Chris Craig
  3. Darkwebs
  4. Ed O
  5. PtldPlatypus
  6. SlyPokerDog
Page 3 of 14
  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    That would be the "close down their business" part.
     
    Denny Crane, Aug 14, 2013
    #41
  2. DaLincolnJones

    DaLincolnJones Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2011
    Messages:
    8,319
    Likes Received:
    1,886
    Trophy Points:
    113
    QT Crandc

    " any business is subject to secular law. Period. No exceptions. They can no more violate non discrimination laws than they can legally violate minimum wage, or health laws, or any other law. They do have First Amendment rights to talk publicly about how much they hate gay people. Or hate minimum wage. Or hate the fact that they can't have cockroaches and rats in their kitchen. Or anything else. Most business owners don't find that a good idea, but they have the right to say that stuff. They still have to follow the law. No exceptions. "

    I never read anywhere where this religous couple ever said anything about how much they "hate gay people"..

    I also am wondering what "law" these business owners are breaking by refusing service..I dont think the reason has any bearing here..
     
    DaLincolnJones, Aug 14, 2013
    #42
  3. MickZagger

    MickZagger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    37,278
    Likes Received:
    16,167
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    UPS
    Location:
    V-Town Baby
    It's 2013 and people still discriminate against gays?

    Sad.
     
    MickZagger, Aug 14, 2013
    #43
  4. VanillaGorilla

    VanillaGorilla Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2009
    Messages:
    12,073
    Likes Received:
    4,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes. That is a reason, and I said any reason.

    If the people want to accept the offer of week old cakes, then why the hell not?
     
    VanillaGorilla, Aug 14, 2013
    #44
  5. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    22,825
    Likes Received:
    29,567
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I did not say they said they hate gays; I said First Amendment says they have the legal right to say that but not to treat gay couples differently. The law in question is state anti discrimination law that forbids discrimination based on sexual orientation.
     
    crandc, Aug 14, 2013
    #45
  6. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,405
    Likes Received:
    310
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I don't know about that. Many companies have been fined or lose lawsuits and continue to exist.
     
    The_Lillard_King, Aug 14, 2013
    #46
  7. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,405
    Likes Received:
    310
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Well I'm glad we have laws in place against that as that is not a society I would want to live in.
     
    The_Lillard_King, Aug 14, 2013
    #47
  8. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Companies like this bakery?
     
    Denny Crane, Aug 14, 2013
    #48
  9. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,405
    Likes Received:
    310
    Trophy Points:
    83
    BTW- I don't like this lawsuit. But if there is ever a place in Oregon to file and prevail with this lawsuit . . . Multnomah County is the place.
     
    The_Lillard_King, Aug 14, 2013
    #49
  10. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,405
    Likes Received:
    310
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Don't know much about this bakery, but many tiny businesses get sued and settle the case without going out of business. They probably will never make that mistake again, but they don't go out of business. I sued a small management company that screwed me over. They paid via settlement and continue to run their practice.
     
    The_Lillard_King, Aug 14, 2013
    #50
  11. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    I like this comment a lot and agree
     
    magnifier661, Aug 14, 2013
    #51
  12. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    They have every right to do so
     
    magnifier661, Aug 14, 2013
    #52
  13. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    This ain't gonna stick, but damage is already done. This bakery will probably have a bunch of lesbians protesting them. Or maybe it's not damaged?! Maybe the right wing will support them more! :)
     
    magnifier661, Aug 14, 2013
    #53
  14. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    I don't think a lawsuit or settlement is going to force these people to make the cake against their will.

    I think there's a case for PUBLIC companies like MacDonald's to be required to serve the PUBLIC. That would be the corporation, its subsidiaries, its franchisees, and so on. By PUBLIC, I mean they're traded on the stock market. They get PUBLIC benefits beyond what we pay taxes for (liability protection, etc.).

    At least these people didn't make the cake and put Ex-lax (or worse) in it. You know, like all the restaurants in La Pine do to MARIS61.
     
    Denny Crane, Aug 14, 2013
    #54
  15. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,405
    Likes Received:
    310
    Trophy Points:
    83
    So the bakery ends up paying an attorney and paying money to make the lawsuit go away. next time a gay couple asks to have a cake made, you think the bakery will say no we don't make cakes for gay people?
     
    The_Lillard_King, Aug 14, 2013
    #55
  16. BLAZINGGIANTS

    BLAZINGGIANTS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2008
    Messages:
    22,030
    Likes Received:
    14,606
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Cool. Agree to disagree. It's ruh-tarded IMO. It's also ruh-tarded they were refused a wedding cake.

    Big distinction, though: they were refused a wedding cake. NOT service.
     
    BLAZINGGIANTS, Aug 14, 2013
    #56
  17. BLAZINGGIANTS

    BLAZINGGIANTS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2008
    Messages:
    22,030
    Likes Received:
    14,606
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly what I've been saying. Albeit in different words.
     
    BLAZINGGIANTS, Aug 14, 2013
    #57
  18. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    The bakery may end up paying money to make it go away. Maybe not. We'll see, eh? They're certainly not going to make the cake. And when a 2nd gay couple comes in, they won't then.

    Like I said, you putting these people out of business is a brutal punishment beyond what fits the crime.

    And yeah, I think it's re-tarded, too, to not sell them the cake.

    I'd prefer the publicity convinces the masses to patronize some other business and they go out of business by their own doing.
     
    Denny Crane, Aug 14, 2013
    #58
  19. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,405
    Likes Received:
    310
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I have no idea if the bakery will settle or not. But I disagree with you about the second couple. If the bakery loses or settles this lawsuit for something other than a nominal settlement, when a second gay couple comes to their business, they will make the cake or at least not say they won't make the cake because the couple is gay.

    Assuming they are smart business people.
     
    The_Lillard_King, Aug 14, 2013
    #59
  20. DaLincolnJones

    DaLincolnJones Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2011
    Messages:
    8,319
    Likes Received:
    1,886
    Trophy Points:
    113
    the First in a nut shell

    Your rights to Freedom of Religion and the free exercise thereof means:
    •The Freedom of Religion is an inalienable right.
    •The First Amendment provides for the Freedom of Religion for all Americans.
    •The Free Exercise Clause provides that government will neither control nor prohibit the free exercise of one’s religion.
    •The government will remain neutral

    I dont believe that those of us that do not agree with how this couple acted, have the right to force them to do something aginst their religous beliefs.
     
    DaLincolnJones, Aug 14, 2013
    #60
Page 3 of 14

Share This Page