Lesbian couple refused wedding cake files state discrimination complaint

IMO, the government should only be trying to enforce the rights of the citizens. That's all the government was ever supposed to do: uphold the rights of the citizens.

No individual has a "right" to have somebody make them a cake, even if that individual wants to pay for it.

What right of the couple was taken away or infringed upon in this case?

 

It was obviously a phony order for a wedding cake. They can't get a marriage license in Oregon.

 

well stated and repped

 

now that sounds like Lars

 

The couple doesn't have a right to make someone make them a cake. But I believe they have a right as citizens not to be discriminated against and be denied just because they are gay. It is silly in this case because we are talking about a cake . . . not exactly the best teat case to file a lawsuit on. But in general, don't citizens have a right not to be discriminated against based on sex orientation.

Doesn't this go back a little to Rosa Parks. Does she have a right to ride in the front of the bus or can a bus company (say greyhound) insist that Black people can only ride in the back of the bus. What rights do people have to force a bus company to give them rides or allow them to sit in the front of the bus.

Yet do we want a society where a bus company is allowed to make Black people and gay people ride in the back of a bus?

 

hmm.. I dont equate gay with black

gay is not a race

if you dont express you sexual preferance, I probaly would not know, or even better, I dont fucking care

I dont hear about gay on gay killings

(ok the last was a jest)

 

Sexual orientation is still a protected class though. Like sex, race, age and religion. You don't get to decide which equates with the others.

 

In Oregon?

 

I was using the ideas of sitting in the back of the bus as an example of discrimination. Whether it is the gov't or company rule, still wrong in my mind. But I get it, you think businesses acting like this will be regulated by the free market supply and demand.

Again, I disagree. You allow greyhound to create a rule that black people can only ride in the back of the bus and it sets this country back 100 years, IMO.

So in your world, OK to allow apartment and duplex owners to only rent to white people? Because that happens today and the market forces don't seem to be curing that problem.

 

I'm a kook in that I'm very pro-private business. I even thought that the ban on smoking in private places was overbearing and nonsensical, even though I abhor smoking and am disgusted by the smell. If a business owner wants to allow smoking, then I can choose whether or not to go to that business.

 

Chik-fil-A is still doing booming business, even after they supposedly alienated some potential customers.

 

got ya there, and I agree with the intent..


POINT IS unless it is made obvious, who would know or as stated, who really cares?

is this going beyond what is reasonable? Not like gays are an endangered species..

 

You could say the same thing about any commercial transaction. No one has a right to buy a house, buy a candy bar, receive medical services, receive a newspaper, have a job, ... and the list goes on. It doesn't matter how trivial the commercial transaction is, you can't discriminate against a protected class and say they can't buy it because of their class status.

 

Uh, but that doesn't necessarily make them bad business people. That's where you made a judgment and I said I couldn't agree or disagree with your judgment.

 

I don't know what the laws are, but if someone's beliefs are that marriage is between man and woman, then why should he have to make a cake for them? I'm not saying I agree, but what if the KKK went into the bakery and asked him for a cake with the word ****** on it. Should he have to make that as well? It's discrimination against a party there as well.

 

It is a violation of the First Amendment to claim special privileges or exemption from following the law because of one's religion. The First Amendment prohibits establishment of a religion. If a person or business can say "we won't follow the law because Jesus" they are demanding an establishment of their religion.

For the last time, if secular law prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation than a business refusing to serve a customer solely because of his/her sexual orientation is a legal violation.

For those who say tough shit, what other laws do you think businesses should be allowed to violate if they feel like it? And if a business violates a law, what if anything should a consumer, employee or state authority do? Nothing?

I do agree that baking a cake is not the world's greatest issue. But I recently read The Great Migration (which I highly recommend). There is a scene where one of the people studied - a doctor, a former Captain in the Army, is driving cross country to his new job at a Los Angeles hospital and has to drive 24 hours on bad roads because no one will allow him to stay in any motel. There are hospitals that still kick out partners. Ignore little things, they become big things.