Politics Let's say Biden is president...

It's already happening

 

So I see your plan is to die mad as the world burns. Cool

 

Since my wife has been working in the Energy sector for a while and we have a bit of understanding of energy consumption and the systems that produce and consume it - I would say that it makes a lot more sense than the current 'let them eat cake' plan and roll-back regulations policy of the current administration.

Anyone that thinks that 1 presidential term is going to magically fix the problem is out of their mind, but we are decades too late already in dealing with it - so anything that does not work to mitigate the problem (as the current administration tries to roll back measures) is just accelerating the problem.

 

Well, yes, actually trying to fix the situation is always going to be better than actively trying to make it worse.

My real question in this thread is what is the strategy of the left going to be if Biden is elected and nothing substantive changes? His "radical agenda" is to get to net-zero omissions in 30 years. I'm just not seeing a way forward on this.

 

Jesus took credit for this:

Luke 12:49 "I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled!"

 

I guess the real question is - how do you measure 'substantive changes'?

My guess is that for the Biden administration (and likely a couple of administrations after) it should be measured by policy scrutinized by scientific climate experts and investment in solutions.

 

@Orion Bailey - I have no problem that you are a Republican. We need good Republicans. But, IMO, we as a country don't need Trumpies, which you say you are not.

For me, the problem with debating you is that you want us to believe you are open to changing your mind, but I think that is just a ruse. Sorry. IMO you would have more success if you dropped the whole 'tell me why I'm wrong/ teach me something new' routine.

Just come out and say your for Trump, and why, and back it up with facts and we can have real, true, and fun debate!

 

I'm all in on the Green New Deal and more. I think we are at a crisis, I think we all know it, and I think we need wild, bold moves.

 

but im sorry your assumptions are not correct. I find Trump to be a vile ugly person. Im not a Trumper. Im a conservative.
I do believe in cleaning the swamp though and Trump is the one who pushed that.
It needs draining on both sides. Im sure he only tries to drain what wont negatively impact him and thats not right, but its a start.

Im still not sure how im going to vote and ive never been so undecided in the past. I have no hope in either candidate.
But i stand by my conservative principles which keeps me leaning republican.


I want my mind changed based on ideals. Maybe you are right. Maybe nothing can change my mond but im honestly asking.

The last time i did all i got was, if you dont know why you shouldnt vote for trump your an idiot or lost or whatever. Nothing tangible, real, or factual. No policies or plans for the future other than full on socialism which i am vehemently against.


all ive ever asked is stop with the insults and get on a path of leadership. Stop pointing fingers and point the way.

If i saw that id be inclined to have a change of stance.

 

But plenty of people have posted plenty of things , and you don't seem to read or care or engage in that. Even with this discussion of trumps racism, we did this song and dance a few weeks back, me and a couple of others sent you a dozen links, which you said you'd read. Now a few weeks later, you're back to demanding evidence of his racism. Sorry, I don't have him on tape uaing the n word. Maybe thats the only evidence you'd accepting?
Its like a abm demanding to know what blm wants, sly gives him a giant list, and then he looks off to the sunset...i guess we'll just never know what they want.

 

twocdifferent slogans. One is a vision. The other is real and tangible evwn if the title doesnt seem to be.

so because i agree with some government overhaul i might as well be a maga and a trumper?


This is the problem the left has with lumping all differing opinions into one category.

 

As you constantly lump "the left" all together as well. Stones and glass houses and all that

 

again. Its a response reaction. Its called mockery. I cant count how many times ive been called a trumper or some other demeaning because of one opinion.

im mocking what some on the left do in here.
Im only going to be insulted for so long before its returned in kind...

 

Ok

Maybe...be better? Seems hypocritical to rail on others to be better and rise above the bullshit, but then not do the same.

 

Fair enough, I will take you at your word.

I admit I insulted you once, but I also caught myself and publicly apologized. Even so, you never acknowledged my mea culpa, indeed, you called me names. That made me less inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt going forward. So there's lots of blame to go around for the nature of the discourse here.

Cant we all just get along?

 

link? Ill reread and make amends if so.
I fully admit i miss things here and dont catch everything. Im by no means perfect.

i do truly believe im one of the few who can admit that though.
Very few here can admit they dont know al or are wrong at times. Part of what gets me riled up and troll.

 

Its hard to say what substantive change is. It's easier to say what it isn't. In my view, cap and trade and carbon taxes are not substantive. It isn't setting goals to reduce emissions in 30 years. I don't know what realistic goals are, but I think we need start thinking "unrealistically"

 

IMHO the Green New Deal is not wild or bold (and it certainly wont be once it's done with bipartisan negotiations), but it's certainly a start.

 

I am extremely skeptical that anyone on here advocated for "full on socialism".

Why don't you like Biden? He's basically a 90s republican.