Politics Let's say Biden is president...

Possible, sure. Painless, far from.

Everything I have seen suggests that even 30 is hard to do without breaking the entire plant's way of life radically.

 

I dont understand what you disagree with in my post, exactly. It just sounds like you're saying there's worse things than losing health care. Sure. But thats not disagreeing. Is losing your home worse than losing health care? Sure. So do we not worry about lost health care because those people held onto their houses?

 

no. Health care has not to do with it. Different topic. You Mentioned jobless.
Just because i dont agree with the current health care system being tied to peoples employers doesnt mean i think it should just be free for all. Ive stated many times why i dont think it should be free for all.

 

Has nothing to do with it? I said there's a problem with Healthcare being tied to employment. You disagreed because people kept their houses? I don't see the connection.

 

This is pretty much what I was thinking. The mix and proper balance between socialism and free market democracy has proven quite effective in the modern world. Of course, culturally and societally, each nation needs to find it's own balance. This is what I meant in my short post that @Orion Bailey quoted.

 

Noooo. I disagreed with the pandemic showing we need socialism.
Socialism covers much more than health care. its stability for all for everything, is it not?

so with that said, i agree with you that its a problem having health care tied to unemployment.
I disagree that it should be free for all just because of the pandemic.

is that clearer?

 

i agree with this and actually think we aRe already there for the most part. Yes some things still need fixing, improving, etc.

 

It's a hard pill to swallow for someone who (like me kind of) thinks screw the government, I don't want anything to do with it, and would rather the government screwed off most of the time... The truth of the matter is that logically the government does have its place, and government systems at least the ones that 'work' for people is ultimately a good thing. That regulation for individuals and capitalistic means is also important. Now I think that the Constitution, declaration of independence, and what the founding fathers seemed to have in mind was mostly good, even if the US as a whole has never lived up to that, especially so for certain groups, but working towards a government that is striving to live up to some of that which the country says it is founded on I'd say would ultimately be good, and some of it would mean we need to have a serious look as a country at healthcare, education, the justice system, etc. I may not agree with Bernie on many things or BLM, or many of the more vocal groups right now, but forcing the country to have those conversations will hopefully end up putting us in a better place then we have been. Hopefully, at some point as a country, we can get close to living up to what we say the country was founded on.

 

We have been a mix between the 2 for a long time now. I personally, and many others, believe the balance has shifted too far in one direction. These things happen over time. I believe change is in order for the betterment of our society. Just my opinion.

 

Again, I don't think you know what socialism means.

I disagree with this point of view. Modern conservatism is built on a Malthusian lie that humanity is wretched and there isn't enough to go around. It's outdated and immoral thinking.

 

I know it covers more than healthcare. I just said there were aspects that the pandemic showed should be implemented, health care being one.

 

Yep, absolutely agree.

We need to be radical, then.

 

You could be right and we just need a pendulum balance. Seems to me though that extreme changes are required to satisfy many.

 

What happens when you end up killing off more people then the catastrophe would have killed off?

 

Fair enough. I just disagree. I think it showed How AmericNs are too into thier freedoms to make common sense a common practice.
Like who cares if you dont think a mask helps. Choice choice of wearing a mask over the chance it might work and saves lives was idiotic.
It wasn't the pandemic it was the idiotic choices that have created such a disaster here.

 

It can show both, no? They're not mutually exclusive. And really, don't have anything to do with eachother.

 

It would be pretty impressive if we could kill off more people than a fucking ice age would

 

Hmm it can show we need to change health care. I still dont think it should be free for all for anything.
Ive said im for certain aspects of universal care. But not for al for just Ny reason. We must maintain a sense of self responsibility with our bodies.
Im not for paying for lazy people to do nothing but eat potato chips and get heart disease.

 

i said it had specifics not facts.
Go play spin games with someone else Barfo.

Ill respond when you actually post something that isn't a spin attempt. Until then i just consider your tactics trolling.