Politics Liberals and economics

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  1. donkiez

    donkiez Well-Known Member

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    How is this different than hiring people to build roads?
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    "but sought to eliminate the autonomy of large-scale capitalism by consolidating power with the state"

    Sounds like regulation to me. Effectively socialism. If not shared ownership, make the owners obey your demands. Same effect.
     
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  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    There's an implicit contract between hired person and the government in your hypothetical. The worker can refuse the job. He doesn't have to stop being a construction worker.
     
  4. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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  5. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    That's the only thing I disagreed with in his description.
     
  6. MarAzul

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    Thank you. And I fear you maybe correct, the more burden that is added the less likely you will see the return.
     
  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    No it's not...I've been stamped as a communist, a democrat, all kinds of things and mags vehement hatred of socialism begs the question..he answered it by the way and I commend him for his answer..it wasn't directed at you. I'm taking mine for the same reason you took yours but I did not milk my VA benefits for my own reasons..not that it's a bad thing to do. What I attempt here is to crumble away at the definitions that draw these lines in the sand.
     
  9. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    If that's the definition, then I am absolutely not Fascist
     
  10. donkiez

    donkiez Well-Known Member

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  11. MarAzul

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    You add Socialist to that and shazam! It = Nazi or National Socialist Party.
     
  12. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Impressive. It took nine pages before Godwin's Law kicked in......
     
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  13. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Here's where you lost me in this group...

    "Fascists and Nazis, however, support a type of hierarchical individualism in the form of Social Darwinism, as they believe it promotes "superior individuals" and weeds out "the weak".[187]"
     
  14. MarAzul

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    I did not use my either although I signed up. But Obama forced my hand, his ACA eliminated my healthcare provided by my former employer by putting a tax on the employer providing the healthcare. We probably needed assistance to keep the employer to continue. but ... At least we could have sued when they dropped us, but no way after the ACA. Their legal options became continue providing the healthcare and pay a whopping tax or drop the retiree healthcare. No way to buy insurance like I had, just not available. So now I use the VA.
     
  15. Denny Crane

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    You do realize "Liberalism" means "Libertarianism," right?

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    Also, Progressivism is about "making things better," and they were a big part of the Eugenics movement in the early 1900s.
     
  16. donkiez

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    That one was there just for you DC. For the record I dont think Mags is a fascist either, but its fun throwing around terms with reckless accusatory abandon. Im warming up to this style of debate.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Welcome to the world of conservatism's challenges vs most liberals/progressives/democrats. Frustrating isn't it? See this is how they toss out racist, bigot, and all other slander technique they use to deflect debates and discussions. Finally, someone sees the elephant in the room. I was losing hope.
     
  18. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Didn't you start this thread by calling liberals racist and illiterate?

    barfo
     
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    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

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    I guess it was all performance art.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Yep
     

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