OT Liberals, describe current events if Hillary were President

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  1. Chris Craig

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  2. oldfisherman

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    If Hillary was president,
    Bill would be first lady.
     
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    she would NOT have disbanded the pandemic response team of the national security council, and would have paid attention to the templates Obama left for dealing with pandemics while not ignoring the advice of experts on epidemiology.
     
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    my wife is a much bigger liberal than I am and she could not stand to see Bill Clinton on tv. I think a lot of people felt that way and it definitely cost her votes
     
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    calvin natt Confeve

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    BECAUSE OF NOT WAITING AND DELAYING AND HAVING FOLLOWERS AS GOVERNORS WHO TOLD, AND ARE STILL TELLING PEOPLE TO GO PARADE AROUND TOWN. Trumps handling of this without question has cost lives.
     
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    -waiting to respond
    - ending the pandemic response team
    - supporting (all republican) governors who won’t shut it the fuck down

    If you don’t think any of those things will cost lives you are a damn fool
     
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    One thing she would have done differently? Wouldn't have signed into law a massive permanent tax break to the ultra-rich.

    Also, she wouldn't have put a frat boy onto the Supreme Court.

    Those two things alone would have made her Presidency a much better one than Trump's. But I tend to concur with those who feel she wouldn't have totally mismanaged the federal government's handling of the COVID-19 pandemic.
     
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    There are a lot of things to tackle here... First, while it's certainly easy to play Monday morning QB, there's also a lot of tough decisions that had to be made, and really all of them could lead to people dying early.

    There seem to be a few extremes the shut everything down, martial law for a month types but there are a plethora of ways that, that can lead to death too. People need groceries, and medicine, people have mental health issues, going a month or two where those things aren't addressed would cost lives too. We're already seeing a rise in suicides as a result of the measures that have been put in place. They're talking about food shortages this fall because of a lack of workers.

    Then there are the ones who want to just pretend nothings happening, which of course can and will cost lives too.

    I'd say there has been a display of lack of leadership, and clarity from the government at all levels, would that be different with Hillary? I doubt it, but I don't know.
    I can guarantee you though, if something like this occurred on her watch, republicans would be attacking her every move much the way democrats are attacking Trumps.

    COVID19 isn't the only danger out there to lives, we need to remember that when were shouting to shut down society, that decision has consequences too, and I am honestly not sure if they are worse than the virus itself, but they need to be weighed.

    I don't really think anyone at any level of government domestic or foreign has handled this to perfection, but obviously some have done better than others.
    What I find extremely fascinating is how many have lost sight of China's role in all of this while we deal with it here.
     
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    And we'd have how many cases and deaths? This would have helped Italy how?

    China would be...fill in the blank.

    All you people can say are things that Rachel Maddow told you to say.

    If someone actually said something like she would have told deBlasio and Cuomo that shit was going to get nasty and to shut down asap I'd accept that. Maybe she would have told Pelosi to NOT go out and tell people to go to Chinatown.

    But no. Just the same media regurgitated garbage.
     
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    You'd accept it? Yeah gimme a fucking break. I'm surprised this shit show made it this long.
     
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    Thinking about it, this is coming from someone who really, really is not a Hillary fan at all. I think she would have done a better job of communicating clearly what her plans were... Trump really lacks the ability to articulate himself well. While that doesn't mean her plans would have been any better (again I don't know), I think we'd at least have some idea what her plans are.

    Honestly, with Trump, I don't think any of us really have any idea, and it seems to be a moving target.
     
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    That's just starters.
    My how things change. Now, she's being charged with hundreds if not thousands of indictments happening any day now.
     
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    I just realized the right answer.

    As President she would have traveled to China more often.

    So, she might have eaten the bat that started this.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Nevermind. I just figured it out when you were posting this.
     
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    This isn't about politics. It's about a fucking idiot running the country into the ground. An empty seat would be better.

    I hated Bush, but even I can give him credit for his vigilance about potential pandemics.

     
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    1. She would not have withdrawn us from the Paris accords;
    2. She would not have rolled back our gas mileage requirements of automobiles;
    3. She would not have rolled back our environmental standards;
    4. She would not have appointed a liar to the United States Supreme Court;
    5. She would have ordered more test kits for detecting the Covid19 coronavirus early on;
    6. She would not have said that the virus was contained nearly airtight;
    7. She would not have made a lgughing stock out of our efforts to deal with Kim jong-Un;
    8. She would have put a halt to Iran's development of a nuclear bomb by sticking to our agreement;
    9. She would not have tried to both eliminate Obama Care and reduce it's impact but would have expanded it;
    10. She would have appointed people who know their ass from a hole in the ground and retained them.
    11. I'm getting writer's cramp.
     
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    They'd be in her garage.
     
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    We are on track for the biggest economy collapse since the depression, highest national debt since WW2 (even before Covid-19) and highest avoidable civilian life loss because of inept leadership and you want to dredge 2016 talking points while accusing us that we can not think for ourselves and parade talking points from the "corrupt media" while the buffoon in chief you support does what you accuse others of doing?

    Read the Scoreboard. Your genius is responsible while not able to admit it. Don't be like that idiot. Own your mistakes and fix them.

    I believe she would have been a lot more responsible and acted faster at the detriment of the economy (which the idiot still has not done completely - with worse economic outcome as a result) to save lives - but it really does not matter - it is done, we have this national disgrace on our hands now and we have to live with it. We just need to ensure it is not repeated. You don't like the Democrats - write in your favorite Republican or whatever your favorite 3rd party person is - just don't vote for this idiot again. He is not competent.
     
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    The national debt has been following a trend for a while I wouldn't put that entirely on Trump, though I think many who voted for him thought he would curb that trend and he certainly hasn't.
    The interesting thing about this situation is all we have is modeling, and guesses about potential outcomes to know how much of the deaths were "avoidable" or not. The models are being proven over and over again to be shaky at best.

    I really don't know if her plans would have been any better at all like I said I think her communication would have been clearer.

    Also, I think the "national disgrace" card is maybe projection more than anything. I don't really think foreign countries think much differently about American's now then they did a decade ago, I wonder what type of tangible evidence there is to that? Foreign leadership complaining about Trump I guess?

    You already know I'll be, "wasting my vote" in November heh.

    Overall I kind of agree with you she probably acts quicker, and again I think her communication skills would be a lot better too, which may not sound like much but clear communication from leadership is something I find value in.


    This is where I got the national debt numbers from and why I said the trend has been bad for a while.
    https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/187867/public-debt-of-the-united-states-since-1990/
     
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