Liberals turning on Obama

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  1. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    If he does, it will almost certainly be with a plurality and not a majority.
     
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    You should be embarrassed. The stupid policies that have aligned with your policies have gotten this country even further in a hole. And if more of his policies aligned with yours to get him a 100% rating, we'd be even worse off.

    You should be embarrassed and ashamed for wanting to see the country fail.
     
  3. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I understand Liberal frustration. They are--if the polling numbers are correct--approximately 20% of the population, but they had a perfect storm in 2008 which carried them to power. They were legislatably able to do whatever they wished for two years, but their policies didn't have their intended effect. In fact, they made things worse. Worse yet, they finally spent up to our credit card limit and found constraints on what they could spend.

    It's a difficult reality to face when what you believe so strongly simply doesn't work in the real world. Just as mercantilism was finally proven in the 18th Century to be an ineffective social policy to increase societal wealth, so has the EU and Obamanomics proven that Keynesianism is headed for the ash heap of history.
     
  4. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    While it is a popular narrative to blame the economic condition of the country and fiscal problems of the federal government on "liberal ideology" it's not an honest depiction. Looking at the price tag of liberal spending, the $800 billion stimulus package and 1 billion "cash for clunkers", 801 billion dollars is a lot of money but it hardly "spent up" out "credit card limit".

    If we're calling medicare, medicaid, and social security programs (the largest chunk of federal spending - about 46%) part of "liberal ideology" then we need to push the number of "liberals" in American to 60% or 70% because these programs have wide spread support with voters from both parties.

    Which Keynesianism are we talking about here? Are you sure you're not think of "socialism"?
     
  5. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Aside from defense/military spending, what else does the govt. spend on but "liberal" spending programs?
     
  6. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    His argument is terrible since he supports all the main policies that have failed us.

    Maxie got it right, it is hard to face the fact that one's policies are simply good feel nonsense. Obama has been the perfect leader for the Left, he hasn't done anything outside their norms. He's a hardcore Demy and we're paying the price for it.
     
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    Yeah I'm pretty sure Dems are primarily the ones riding that Social Security train for votes.

    Libertarians need to take back that word "liberal" like I previously stated. It is confusing for international politics. We're the only "liberal" movement.
     
  8. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I didn't state my point well. I don't blame the Democrats 100% for hitting our credit limit; they just happened to be in power when it happened. The freespending Republicans under Bush ran it up plenty themselves. My point was one of timing rather than blame (although I would assign at least 55% of the blame to the Democrats). When our debt problems finally messed with our credit rating is when the unlimited budget finally got some constraints.

    I don't understand how programs everyone pays into has to do with ideology. If they were given benefits they didn't pay for and/or their income was redistributed, then you could call it "liberal". When people are asked to describe themselves, only 20% identify as "liberal". That statistic was the basis for my statement.

    I'm talking about demand-side economics.
     
  9. TradeNurkicNow

    TradeNurkicNow piss

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    I think you mean, "Die, Liberals, Die."
     
  10. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Jesus, but are you butthurt.

    Nice ad hominem, however. White flag acknowledged.
     
  11. TradeNurkicNow

    TradeNurkicNow piss

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    Trollers gonna troll.
     

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