OMG are you actually defeding Matt Millen. Possible the worst GM in the league. If i were a fan of an orgainization like the Lions i would be bashing the GM as much as possible. I'm a Knicks fan I bash Isiah Thomas whenever possible. Millen hasnt done one good thing for the Lions he got there and they were decent and its all been downhill from there. I think they went 8-8 the season he came and they havent been close to that since. I dont know how you could actually defend Matt Millen for anything especially as a Lions fan i would be calling for the guy to be fired every chance i get. I'm not sure when its gonna get in the Lions fans heads that Matt Millen isnt any good and therefore the team isnt any good. Btw having superbowl rings as a player has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of GM you are thats just a bogus excuse. And Joey Harrington is gone yes we know its sad that after every loss we hear at least hes gone because thats the only real moderately good thing that has happened ot the Lions lately. Good job!!! :thumbsup:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joey Harrington ruined Matt Millen's first five years in Detroit. Before Harrington Millen was a winner everywhere he went. Just look at the Dolphin's since they signed Harrington. The "Princess" the Anti-Christ!</div> Harrington isn't Millen's only Albatross. He signed guys like Bill Schroeder away from Green Bay without accounting for the fact that it was Favre who was making his stats look so good. He was a bust... Millen drafted first round wide receivers three straight years and two of them were also busts. I know you hate Harrington, but Millen's woes as a GM go far, far, FAR beyond Harrington.</div> I've never said Millen is a good GM. He has been a winner the majority of his life. I was just taking the <u>bait</u> from Beef. I don't believe any GM or coach could win in the NFL with Harrington as their starting QB. The Harrington pick with the kiss of death for Matt Millen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joey Harrington ruined Matt Millen's first five years in Detroit. Before Harrington Millen was a winner everywhere he went. Just look at the Dolphin's since they signed Harrington. The "Princess" the Anti-Christ!</div> Harrington isn't Millen's only Albatross. He signed guys like Bill Schroeder away from Green Bay without accounting for the fact that it was Favre who was making his stats look so good. He was a bust... Millen drafted first round wide receivers three straight years and two of them were also busts. I know you hate Harrington, but Millen's woes as a GM go far, far, FAR beyond Harrington.</div> Zack; You are either delusional or trying to instigate something yet again. Either way you are "brimming w/ wrongness" (had to throw on another quote from Red Dwarf). I have better things to remember than the state of the Lions franchise bit it would seem they needed a QB, caved and took the easy way out. Had they had a GM, scouting dept, or personnel dept worth damn then they would have figured out that Joey was not a proper fit in the Motor City. For all of Wannstedt's faults, the Lions front office makes him look like a Mensa member.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Jon Kitna's a winner in my book. I'd even allow my kid to wear his jersey. As for Matt Millen ... how many Super Bowl rings does he have? He did quite well at Penn State too.</div> What has Kitna won besides your admiration for his not being Harrington? What has he won that's football related? I find it interesting that you hide behind past accomplishments but can't realize that the Detroit organization is a prime example of Hegel's paradox.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Jon Kitna's a winner in my book. I'd even allow my kid to wear his jersey. As for Matt Millen ... how many Super Bowl rings does he have? He did quite well at Penn State too.</div> What has Kitna won besides your admiration for his not being Harrington? What has he won that's football related? I find it interesting that you hide behind past accomplishments but can't realize that the Detroit organization is a prime example of Hegel's paradox.</div> I'm not hiding anywhere. Kitna's been to a Pro Bowl, but his a winner in my book because of the type of person he is. A good husband and father. A leader. No body on the board understands the Lions organization better than I. The Ford family has ran the Lions much like they have their car company. Both organizations are at the low point of their histories. That said, I optimistic that Marinelli can turn it around. Millen stays until Marinelli gets a fair shot at getting the job done. A new GM would want his own coach and that wouldn't be fair the Rod Marinelli.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>No body on the board understands the Lions organization better than I.</div> I don't dispute that. Perhaps hide was the wrong word. History is one heckuva of a red herring to use. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Ford family has ran the Lions much like they have their car company.</div> Say no more. You have just summarized the Lions recent history and closed the case on the Lions problems IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Jon Kitna's a winner in my book. I'd even allow my kid to wear his jersey. As for Matt Millen ... how many Super Bowl rings does he have? He did quite well at Penn State too.</div> What has Kitna won besides your admiration for his not being Harrington? What has he won that's football related? I find it interesting that you hide behind past accomplishments but can't realize that the Detroit organization is a prime example of Hegel's paradox.</div> I'm not hiding anywhere. Kitna's been to a Pro Bowl, but his a winner in my book because of the type of person he is. A good husband and father. A leader. No body on the board understands the Lions organization better than I. The Ford family has ran the Lions much like they have their car company. Both organizations are at the low point of their histories. That said, I optimistic that Marinelli can turn it around. Millen stays until Marinelli gets a fair shot at getting the job done. A new GM would want his own coach and that wouldn't be fair the Rod Marinelli.</div> Obviously Marinelli is turning things around. Look at the difference in the team this year. The wins. . .well, he may not WIN any games, but look at the production . . well thats mostly martz, look at the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . the floor, cuz thats where they lions are staying.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Obviously Marinelli is turning things around. Look at the difference in the team this year. The wins. . .well, he may not WIN any games, but look at the production . . well thats mostly martz, look at the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . the floor, cuz thats where they lions are staying.</div> It's a little early to judge Rod Marinelli don't you think? You likely had Lovie burried after four games too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Obviously Marinelli is turning things around. Look at the difference in the team this year. The wins. . .well, he may not WIN any games, but look at the production . . well thats mostly martz, look at the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . the floor, cuz thats where they lions are staying.</div> It's a little early to judge Rod Marinelli don't you think? You likely had Lovie burried after four games too.</div> Nope, its pretty obvious what direction they are going.
Millen deserves the Lions share (pun intended) of what has gone wrong in Detroit but he does get too much blame... Mooch sucked too, bottom line... He was exposed here... I don't believe anyone could have or did see that coming... Anyone who follows the Lions closely knows that what Mooch was putting on the field wasn't the type of team that Millen had envisioned... I also think it is funny that everyone says that Millen didn't listen to Mooch with his draft picks but this year he saw the light and let the coaches make all the picks... This team is better than they were last year... They have been competitive in every game so far... I haven't seen them quit yet... Last year this team would have been broken and the locker room would have been divided already... Kitna has been better than Joey... They aren't even comparable at this point... He has been better than I thought he would be, in fact he has been a bright spot for this team... BUT Kitna hasn't delivered in clutch positions yet... Both against GB and St. Louis he didn't make the plays that he needed to to give this team a win... The problem with this team is the defense which it is well documented that teams starting to run the Tampa 2 defense traditionally start slow... Tampa did, INDY did and even your beloved Bears did... The funny part is that we have the hard part down in stopping the run... Our corners aren't physical enough to play in this system, the LBs are still having trouble reading their keys in the passing game and our safety core is pretty banged up... That is why we are allowing over 70% of passes to be completed... Teams are also running max protection against our line a TON and when they're not it is 3 step drops and get rid of the ball...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Murtyle)</div><div class='quotemain'>Millen deserves the Lions share (pun intended) of what has gone wrong in Detroit but he does get too much blame... Mooch sucked too, bottom line... He was exposed here... I don't believe anyone could have or did see that coming... Anyone who follows the Lions closely knows that what Mooch was putting on the field wasn't the type of team that Millen had envisioned... I also think it is funny that everyone says that Millen didn't listen to Mooch with his draft picks but this year he saw the light and let the coaches make all the picks... This team is better than they were last year... They have been competitive in every game so far... I haven't seen them quit yet... Last year this team would have been broken and the locker room would have been divided already... Kitna has been better than Joey... They aren't even comparable at this point... He has been better than I thought he would be, in fact he has been a bright spot for this team... BUT Kitna hasn't delivered in clutch positions yet... Both against GB and St. Louis he didn't make the plays that he needed to to give this team a win... The problem with this team is the defense which it is well documented that teams starting to run the Tampa 2 defense traditionally start slow... Tampa did, INDY did and even your beloved Bears did... The funny part is that we have the hard part down in stopping the run... Our corners aren't physical enough to play in this system, the LBs are still having trouble reading their keys in the passing game and our safety core is pretty banged up... That is why we are allowing over 70% of passes to be completed... Teams are also running max protection against our line a TON and when they're not it is 3 step drops and get rid of the ball...</div> If mooch sucked, its millens fault. He hired him. The buck stops there. As for this team getting better, its not. They dont play the cover 2. The first part gives it away, cover. They dont cover at all. They play the uncover 2. Shittiest defense i have seen in a long time. KC was bad, but they did stop an opponent occasionally. They didnt let everyone on the field run wide open. Welcome back, i didnt think I would be seeing you again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Murtyle)</div><div class='quotemain'>Millen deserves the Lions share (pun intended) of what has gone wrong in Detroit but he does get too much blame... Mooch sucked too, bottom line... He was exposed here... I don't believe anyone could have or did see that coming... Anyone who follows the Lions closely knows that what Mooch was putting on the field wasn't the type of team that Millen had envisioned... I also think it is funny that everyone says that Millen didn't listen to Mooch with his draft picks but this year he saw the light and let the coaches make all the picks... This team is better than they were last year... They have been competitive in every game so far... I haven't seen them quit yet... Last year this team would have been broken and the locker room would have been divided already... Kitna has been better than Joey... They aren't even comparable at this point... He has been better than I thought he would be, in fact he has been a bright spot for this team... BUT Kitna hasn't delivered in clutch positions yet... Both against GB and St. Louis he didn't make the plays that he needed to to give this team a win... The problem with this team is the defense which it is well documented that teams starting to run the Tampa 2 defense traditionally start slow... Tampa did, INDY did and even your beloved Bears did... The funny part is that we have the hard part down in stopping the run... Our corners aren't physical enough to play in this system, the LBs are still having trouble reading their keys in the passing game and our safety core is pretty banged up... That is why we are allowing over 70% of passes to be completed... Teams are also running max protection against our line a TON and when they're not it is 3 step drops and get rid of the ball...</div> Well said Murtle ... the Mariucci era was shocking. I love Mooch, but he was soft and his teams were divided. I don't think many experts predicted that from the 5 yr 25 million dollar coach.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>the Mariucci era was shocking. I love Mooch, but he was soft and his teams were divided. I don't think many experts predicted that from the 5 yr 25 million dollar coach.</div> What can you expect from someone who was riding the 49ers gravy train? And the Lions overpaid for someone overrated? I'm shocked.
Shouldn't the GM Draft the players the Coach wants for his system? Mooch envision a team and Millen envison one. Last I saw Millen wasn't the coach. Mooch is gone but Millen should of went with him. As long as he's around the Lions will be picking in the top 10 come April.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>As long as he's around the Lions will be picking in the top 10 come April.</div> Here's an actual conversation overheard at a recent Notre Dame practice: Weis:"You know Brady, the Lions might end up picking 1st" Quinn:"Coach, what can I do? I don't want to be a millen" Weis:"Yeah, I understand. Go hide under the bleachers and we will tell them you quit football. Quinn:"You think Matt Millen will buy that?" Weis:"Millen doesnt even know what day of the week it is, he'll buy it. But this means you'll be a Raider" Quinn:"Anything coach, anything but a Lion"
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>Shouldn't the GM Draft the players the Coach wants for his system? Mooch envision a team and Millen envison one. Last I saw Millen wasn't the coach. Mooch is gone but Millen should of went with him. As long as he's around the Lions will be picking in the top 10 come April.</div> Personally, I think he did draft the guys Mooch wanted. Just my opinion but no one will ever know. I do know that his drafting strategy changed this year and the only thing that changed before that was the coach. Believe me I think Millen is a bafoon, I just think that he gets too much blame. When I say that Mooch didn't put the team on the field that Millen wanted I mean that Millen wanted a downfield passing attack, that sure didn't happen. Millen wanted an aggressive defense and I'm not sure Jauron has ever blitzed. Thats what I mean. How is it the GM's fault that the coach failed to keep his team together? How is it the GM's fault that not 1 player developed under the coaches teaching? How is it the GM's fault when the offensive and defensive schemes are outdated and unimaginative? Among other things... Mooch was no good here. No one will ever change my mind on that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Murtyle)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>Shouldn't the GM Draft the players the Coach wants for his system? Mooch envision a team and Millen envison one. Last I saw Millen wasn't the coach. Mooch is gone but Millen should of went with him. As long as he's around the Lions will be picking in the top 10 come April.</div> Personally, I think he did draft the guys Mooch wanted. Just my opinion but no one will ever know. I do know that his drafting strategy changed this year and the only thing that changed before that was the coach. Believe me I think Millen is a bafoon, I just think that he gets too much blame. When I say that Mooch didn't put the team on the field that Millen wanted I mean that Millen wanted a downfield passing attack, that sure didn't happen. Millen wanted an aggressive defense and I'm not sure Jauron has ever blitzed. Thats what I mean. How is it the GM's fault that the coach failed to keep his team together? How is it the GM's fault that not 1 player developed under the coaches teaching? How is it the GM's fault when the offensive and defensive schemes are outdated and unimaginative? Among other things... Mooch was no good here. No one will ever change my mind on that.</div> Its his fault cuz he hired the coach
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Murtyle)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>Shouldn't the GM Draft the players the Coach wants for his system? Mooch envision a team and Millen envison one. Last I saw Millen wasn't the coach. Mooch is gone but Millen should of went with him. As long as he's around the Lions will be picking in the top 10 come April.</div> Mooch was no good here. No one will ever change my mind on that.</div> Was anyone???
