LOL!!! What Bullsh*t! The guy can't even spell Jordan! He's probably just out to make Jordan's life a living mess, or just a nuisance for us who appreciate Jordan's work in basketball.
Anyone who actually watched MJ in his prime would not be able to honestly make any of those statements :[
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Cain:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL!!! What Bullsh*t! The guy can't even spell Jordan! He's probably just out to make Jordan's life a living mess, or just a nuisance for us who appreciate Jordan's work in basketball.</div> He can spell it, 'cause in the faq he explains why he calls him jordon. The guy have some good points there especially with that Power points and Ballhog points... The guy who made this site isn't a fool... He thaught about it, and made some sense here and there...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Remember the Cliff Robinson incident? Yeah...when Jordan shrugged his shoulders in the playoffs when he couldn't stop shooting threes? Just had to let you know that...Jordan loved the Blazers jk But...I agree on all the shot attempts being a bad decision. Yet I don't understand your argument about the traveling violations. I've never seen Jordan travel like you say...I've seen him take an extra half-step, but not a full one. If anyone travels, it's the guys in the paint...Shaq, Yao, Wallace, etc. when they use their feet to position themselves for a shot because they don't have enough leverage to do it themselves. There's a move called a pro-hop, jump step, whatever you wanna call it...that almost looks like traveling, but some people will disagree all day long about it. I've never seen Jordan do a jump step ever. All I've seen him do in his days with the Bulls is take off from his left foot...which traveling is tough when you are driving the lane, because your momentum leads your dribble to hit the ground with the opposite foot (try it sometime)...so you'll end up picking the ball up while taking your first step with the right foot, then the left (driving right handed). That's where the half-step comes in, but it's not travel. Two steps...</div> I have a Jordan Video Mix on my computer.....And he does pro-Hop to the basket...Im am a HUGE fan or Jordan..But i cannot lie...He did do that hop step thing quite a lot!
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If, instead of jordon, the Bulls had a legitimate star in their backcourt, like Mitch Richmond, Allen Iverson, Reggie Miller, or Super John Starks, the Bulls would have probably won 78-80 games in 1995-96.</div> I stopped reading after this. Stupid site.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sunsfan1357:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm pretty sure that that site is more of a joke site. The more logical argument comes in that guy's tribute page to Wilt Chamberlain where he argues why Wilt was the best ever. I like the points the guy brings up in the Wilt Chamberlain site. Anyway, I've been in too many Wilt/MJ arguments on this board and on other boards. I'll just continue to let the kids disrespect Wilt's game in attempts to make Jordan look better and better. Not saying that Jordan isn't the greatest, he is ONE of the greatest. To limit the NBA to have one greatest player is a slight to the other legends that play the game. All legends are great in their own right. The thing I don't like is how people make Wilt's career look like garbage in an attempt to reassure themselves that MJ is the greatest and any other opinion is wrong.</div> No one here is disrespecting Wilt's game. No one. He was the most dominant center period. Maybe ever. Thats why I get annoyed when people say Shaq is. Shaq is the most dominant now, but not of all time. Wilts season averages speak for themselves. What I am disrespecting is that site. Be it a joke, or someone actually believing that, its........ If someone wants to argue Wilt was better than MJ. Fine. I can understand that. But if someone suggests that "Super John Starks" could have made the Bulls a better team....then we have a problem.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow...that site is ridiculous. First off, about the Pippen argument...Jordan necessarily didn't need Pippen to be successful. However, he needed a coach to apply the triangle offense and base it around MJ, and this is where Phil Jackson comes to play. Pippen was drafted in 1987...for three seasons, Pippen and Jordan didn't come close to a championship. Then along comes Phil Jackson, in the 1990-1991 season...his first season as head coach. He brings with him the triangle offense. He puts Jordan as the captain, and pretty much lets him run the offensive sets (just like Kobe did all his years). That season...the Bulls are champs. Actually...they become three time champs until Jordan leaves...at that time, Pippen takes over the team, right? Wrong. The Bulls miss Jordan, and don't win a title. Sure, they had a similar record, but this is the Eastern Conference, guys. Who cares? Jordan comes back after the Rockets win two straight, and the Bulls go on and win three more. Jordan controlled that team, and thanks to him and Phil Jackson, they won titles. Jordan is overrated? No way. Without Jordan, there would be less kids out there playing basketball. I grew up on MJ...wanting to be like him, watching him show kids how to play basketball on television, and watching him "fly" through the air. He did commercials, ads, and eventually a movie. He sold tons of merchandise, so kids and younger guys could walk around on the court and play like Mike. When I was playing in the recreation league when I was little, I would watch stuff I recorded on television that had him on it, and I would feel invincible before a game. This guy gave me hope that I could play good, and he did that with alot of kids. Okay, about Wilt Chamberlain. Who thinks that Wilt could play today's style of basketball and score 100 on a defensive team like the Pistons? Basketball of the 60's, 70's and 80's had alot of talent, but today's athletes are more poised and athletic. Kids coming out of high school (yes, I know Wilt was drafted as a high schooler, but he didn't play in the league for a few years)...these kids are young, but they have potential, and they grew up watching these guys and have learned and evolved from them. Jordan's athleticism and his ability to create and manipulate shots in mid-air would make Wilt look like Michael Olowokandi in the paint. Jordan deserved all six of his rings. He fought through his father's death, a bad case of the flu, and an injury early in his career...even coming out of retirement after a bad and short baseball career...he still performed like the greatest player alive. Tell me another athlete who could do all that and still be the greatest. Iverson schooled Jordan? With what? He crossed him over, but it wasn't much. Did he drive on Jordan? No. Jordan merely jumped to block the shot. Yeah, it did look bad, which is the bad part...but I guess nobody saw the game, because I started liking Jordan when I was 12, at about that time, and throughout the whole game, Jordan was hitting jumpers out of nowhere on Iverson, and he was driving right past him and laying it in. Guys hit shots on other guys all the time...but sure, if someone does it to Jordan, they suddenly become BETTER than him. Okay, whatever. The site is stupid, and just a cop-out to not liking MJ. Someone commented on seeing Jordan in his prime...I'd second that. Some people need to go buy the Jordan DVD collection. It's cheap on the net, so get it and take a look...Ultimate Jordan. You guys will respect the man who made basketball what it is today if you watch the content. Without Jordan, there would be no hype for young players coming into the league because there would be no comparisons to MJ, and there would definitely be fewer fans. Face it...no matter how you look at him, you're still staring in the face of success.</div> I got the Jordan DVD, but u are blind by the hype. If you hear a song and it was aight, and u found out it was 2pac, youd be like this is tite. It's just like that. U saw the ads, the kickz, and the announcers "He's simply amazing"...U were a kid, and were in awe, and forgot that he is merely a basketball player. Jordan was a ballhog, socked Kerr, left for baseball, and Pippen took the team with a record of only 2 more losses than the season before with the GOAT. I mean he was incredible, probably the greatest, don't make him a god though. He was great, but got sugarcoated so much There will be players like him, or better...MJ will have the best career and love. I do agree, about him being overrated, but he is great. Be honest with ure self here, MEdia did hype this clown. Worthy was hurt, KJ got fouled, and those east teams were weak, those 10 losses were probably against better west teams. He did get away with fouls, travels, etc. How was he a top rank college player, by hitting that stupid open jump shot, when Worthy was the anchor of that team, and he's the one who stole the ball right before or after, I'm not sure, I think it's after the shot. yeah, there was a couple of seconds left on the clock, and worthy stole the ball to close the game. You guys need to read the "The Jordan Rules"...Good book.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">If I could come through this computer, Id slap some sense into you. Consider this a digital slap :slap: Conspiracy? The Bulls just won because of great team play. Stern cannot control a series. He could control a few referree calls, but there is no way he can dictate an entire series. For even thinking that is possible....I am at a loss for words. No one can be THAT dumb.</div> , that's a good 1. Boy this guy is like a guy who just got outta the joint and just hates the world.
For those who think Jordan absolutely sucks, I wish you guys would say who you believe is better than Jordan...
This site is a satire. read the end of the FAQ's. He shows the complete opposite of Jordan fans to show the silliness of mythologizing MJ. This is a dark mirror of many MJ idolizers including me. Good reading as an irony not straight up meaning
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">No one here is disrespecting Wilt's game. No one. He was the most dominant center period. Maybe ever. Thats why I get annoyed when people say Shaq is. Shaq is the most dominant now, but not of all time. Wilts season averages speak for themselves.</div> I know you don't disrespect on Wilt, Vintage but when I see a poster in this very thread say: "Anyways, Wilt was a freaking center, he was like 7 ft... MJ is a shooting guard, at 6-6. Okay guys, what's more harder: catching the ball and dropping it in the basket or getting passed four guys and maneuvering in the air while getting banged up and hitting the shot plus the foul, with no big guy to help him, and leading their team with a side-kick at 6-8. Plus, I think the game seemed a lot weak back in Wilt's day. They just catched and shoot. I mean it wasn't physical at all." then I call that disrespecting. Wilt's game was SO much more than that. The NBA as a whole was SO much more than that, but when it comes to arguments with Jordan so many people are willing to bring the competition level and Wilt's skill level down many notches just to put Jordan on some higher pedestal than everyone that has preceeded him. That's why I don't like getting into Jordan/whomever argument anymore because these people insult the game of the past so much that I feel insulted.
It's really funny that the creator of the website never mentioned the "flu game", "the shot", "the shrug" and the other bunch of game winners. If he did, then he did a great job of making it as invisible as possible.
A lot of the information on the website really irked me and kinda pissed me off, but there were legitimate arguments scattered along with all that crap. However, I happened across this pages, the last link, and I understand why he wrote the article. http://airjudden2.tripod.com/ejf/explanation.htm This is his response to all those Jordan fanatics who worship the ground he walks on. There are a ton of Jordan fan sites that state irrelevant facts and ignore the negative points on MJ, making him seem to be the best player there ever was and ever will be, which can be argued on to death. Only thing that I would ask is that he shows a little respect to the player the influenced the entire era of the 90's with his amazing skill and grace.
I lost all respect and credibility for this site after this comment - <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">jordon is irrelevant to the Bulls formula for winning. </div> This site has got to be a joke, because all of his 'facts' to back up his theories are insane. Whats even worse is, someone actually created this site. Talk about no life and a waste of time. Jordan is arguably the greatest player of all time, end of story.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sunsfan1357:</div><div class="quote_post">I know you don't disrespect on Wilt, Vintage but when I see a poster in this very thread say: "Anyways, Wilt was a freaking center, he was like 7 ft... MJ is a shooting guard, at 6-6. Okay guys, what's more harder: catching the ball and dropping it in the basket or getting passed four guys and maneuvering in the air while getting banged up and hitting the shot plus the foul, with no big guy to help him, and leading their team with a side-kick at 6-8. Plus, I think the game seemed a lot weak back in Wilt's day. They just catched and shoot. I mean it wasn't physical at all." then I call that disrespecting. Wilt's game was SO much more than that. The NBA as a whole was SO much more than that, but when it comes to arguments with Jordan so many people are willing to bring the competition level and Wilt's skill level down many notches just to put Jordan on some higher pedestal than everyone that has preceeded him. That's why I don't like getting into Jordan/whomever argument anymore because these people insult the game of the past so much that I feel insulted.</div> I missed that post. Anyway, for what its worth, I agree with you. The fact that Wilt averaged 50 ppg for an entire season is amazing. The fact that he scored 100 in a game is amazing. The fact he averaged more than 20 rpg for most of his career is amazing. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketbal.../12/wilt_stats/ Some people should check that link out. What he did in the league was nothing short of amazing. Not to mention he had agility unseen with his size, weigth, and strength. For example: When Wilt was in his 40's I believe......years after he retired, Magic Johnson came into the league. Someone asked Wilt how Magic would have done against him, since Magic was seen as a groundbreaking player(a 6'9" PG). Wilt replied, "He wouldn't score in the lane against me." They played a pickup game. Everytime Magic drove the lane, the shot was blocked or altered. Magic never scored in the paint. Wilt was able to leave his man, alter/block Magic, and recover(to his man) or grab a rebound..... Phenomenal athlete. Phenomenal player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">It's really funny that the creator of the website never mentioned the "flu game", "the shot", "the shrug" and the other bunch of game winners. If he did, then he did a great job of making it as invisible as possible.</div> Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against MJ but the shot was the greatest travesty in NBA history, maybe even sports history. The "shot" was an offensive foul that was sadly overlooked. MJ left a handprint in Bryon Russell's right butt cheek. You can't call that great. That could be a reason why two of the greatest of all time do not have a championship ring. I know that stars get calls but this was just plain ridiculous.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllBoutDaPacers:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against MJ but the shot was the greatest travesty in NBA history, maybe even sports history. The "shot" was an offensive foul that was sadly overlooked. MJ left a handprint in Bryon Russell's right butt cheek. You can't call that great. That could be a reason why two of the greatest of all time do not have a championship ring. I know that stars get calls but this was just plain ridiculous.</div> Wrong. "The Shot" is the shot against the Cleveland Cavaliers that gave the Bulls a win in a pivotal game in that series in which Chicago went on to win.
I seriously don't know what the people on the site are smoking and what some people on this site are. Jordan is the best. Wilt was a 7 footer when there were hardly any 7 footers in the league. Please watch the Ultimate Jordan DVDs and let your mouth drop down all the way to the ground. I bet if it wasn't for MJ, some of you woulnd't even know what the game of basketball is. He influenced millions to actually PLAY the game, who cares if they played it wrong, at least they played the game, instead of sitting at home and getting fat, or smokin on the streets etc. He's had such a big impact, it's almost unexplicable... I'm gonna stop now before I get too carried away.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">I seriously don't know what the people on the site are smoking and what some people on this site are. Jordan is the best. Wilt was a 7 footer when there were hardly any 7 footers in the league. Please watch the Ultimate Jordan DVDs and let your mouth drop down all the way to the ground. I bet if it wasn't for MJ, some of you woulnd't even know what the game of basketball is. He influenced millions to actually PLAY the game, who cares if they played it wrong, at least they played the game, instead of sitting at home and getting fat, or smokin on the streets etc. He's had such a big impact, it's almost unexplicable... I'm gonna stop now before I get too carried away.</div> So....? 50 points a game for an entire season. Another season at 44 ppg. A career average right around 20 rpg. What am I missing? Sunsfan, now I see......now I understand. You just cannot win, no matter what..... ----------- I am still wondering if.........nevermind....it would get edited...
Wow you see the Jordan Brick Counter. I for one am not a big fan of Jordan, but I still believe he is one of the best basketball players ever. These people obviously are kids who think their the best at sports and are tired of hearing stuff about JORDAN.Either that or old retards with no clue that Jordan has retired.Did anybody email the makers on that???
