Los Angeles @ Miami-can lakers be victorious

Discussion in 'Los Angeles Lakers' started by bronbron23, Mar 15, 2005.

Moderators: 1

Moderators

  1. Mamba
Page 3 of 5
  1. og15

    og15 JBB *********

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2004
    Messages:
    6,594
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Well the Heat win 102 - 89. Kobe continued his current streak of 2nd half struggles that began in the Wizards game, going 1-11 today in the second half.

    It was a good game for a while, but the Heat just took over late in the game, and closed it out. Chucky Atkins played very well offensively, and Odom also did well to start the game.

    Basically the game happened how a lot of people expected...
     
    og15, Mar 17, 2005
    #41
  2. WadeDynasty

    WadeDynasty JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2004
    Messages:
    962
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    I liked Dooling's effort the most tonight. Our 2 guys played like they always have and Dooling's effort was a big plus to this win. Kobe struggled in the 2nd half when they needed him the most. Atkins and Cook are crazy 3 shooters tho!!!
     
    WadeDynasty, Mar 17, 2005
    #42
  3. og15

    og15 JBB *********

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2004
    Messages:
    6,594
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Yea Dooling had a very good game, he really stepped with his 17 points off the bench, and was a big boost for the team, definately a good performace for him. Brian Cook was hitting his three's, though it didn't really have an effect on the game, he was 3-3.

    Kobe has definately had some struggles in the second half lately, he looks like he's on pace for 40 points in the first half, but doesn't do much in the 2nd.

    <u>Kobe 2nd half last 3 games:</u>

    vs Miami - 5 points, 1-11 FG

    vs Philly - 3 points, 1-5 FG

    vs Wizards - 5 points 1-12 FG
     
    og15, Mar 17, 2005
    #43
  4. bbwtrench

    bbwtrench BBW Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,425
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    38
    atkins played well. Not enough to beat Shaq and the Heat.
     
    bbwtrench, Mar 18, 2005
    #44
  5. Lakers1

    Lakers1 JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2005
    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    we lost because kobe didnt score his normal amount of points.hes no scoring in second halfs which has led toi these threee losses
     
    Lakers1, Mar 18, 2005
    #45
  6. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2003
    Messages:
    45,018
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    48
    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">``We played well for 36 minutes tonight,'' Lakers coach Frank Hamblen said. ``Unfortunately, the game is 48.''</div> Pretty much sums up the loss. I agree og15, Kobe is really struggling in the 2nd half the last few games. I preferred it better when he was actually the closer for the team and the rest of the Lakers produced in the earlier parts of the game. The second unit is killing the Lakers right now. Everytime the bench substitutes in, the opposing bench takes control of the game. Last night Keyon Dooling caught fire for the Heat and Shandon Anderson gave them a lot of production as well. The Lakers had no answer for the speed of the Heat when Miami put Dooling and Wade on the floor at the same time. Wade is such an amazing player with the ball, he can create a lot of space between his defender and finds his shooters in rhythm. He had one move where he completely froze Atkins on his drive, and just went right by him for a layup. Chris Mihm got completely manhandled in the game, and only managed to stay on the court for 15 minutes. Unexceptable! Shaq had his way with him all night because Mihm tried to physically compete with Shaq instead of trying to out quick and out think Shaq. Instead Shaq gave him one head fake, Mihm would bite, and Shaq would just spin the other way for an easy dunk. When you defend Shaq, you have to bait him to turn into your body and pick up a charge on him. The Lakers just seemed lost on defense all night, they couldn't decide on who they wanted to stop, Wade or Shaq. I was glad to see the Lakers compete and comeback from early deficit in the first half, but they just broke down in the fourth quarter being outscored 33-22. Odom only took 9 shots in 43 minutes, that's ridiculous, especially when he has slower defenders on him. Neither Laettner or Haslem can handle Odom, and he had his way with both of them when he was aggressive with the ball. I think Odom needs to be more selfish with the rock. He needs to take 15 to 17 shots a game, not 9, he's too, good of player to only settle for 9 shots. Brian Grant managed 9 shots in just 19 minutes. Caron Butler also continued his struggles shooting 5-14 and losing Eddie Jones constantly on defense. He's lucky Jones missed most of his shots, because Caron was always two steps too, late and completely lost in transition defense. I really hope the Lakers find a way to put it together in the off-season. They have the talent to beat any team in the league, but the trio of Kobe, Bulter, and Odom all need to play consistently good together. Right now it's hard to have two of three playing well in a game. Wheneve Kobe and Odom have a big night at the same time they win.
     
    Shapecity, Mar 18, 2005
    #46
  7. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2003
    Messages:
    42,357
    Likes Received:
    502
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Temecula
    Kobe is fatigued. That simple, the long season has finally worn on him, plus factor in the losing and the non-help, he is just tired.

    It was a closer game for the most part, but the Heat finally pulled away...I didn't watch the game though, I was too busy watching college ball.
     
    Mamba, Mar 18, 2005
    #47
  8. og15

    og15 JBB *********

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2004
    Messages:
    6,594
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    I don't know if it would be him being tired since he was injured, and I'm guessing was resting in that period of time. It seemed everything was fine for when everyone was praising the triangle's ability to allow him to play more off the ball, and be less tired, especially in end game situations, so I don't know...


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers just seemed lost on defense all night, they couldn't decide on who they wanted to stop, Wade or Shaq.</div>
    I think that's the problem, you can't go out and try to stop either of them because that's what teams though all season long, let's just go out and stop Wade, but stopping Wade is much much much much easier said than done. I think the best bet is to stop the rest of the Heat team, and allow Wade and Shaq to get theirs. Keyon Dooling scoring 17 points off the bench on 6-10 shooting is not how to beat the Heat.
     
    og15, Mar 18, 2005
    #48
  9. VC #15

    VC #15 JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2005
    Messages:
    45
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is fatigued. That simple, the long season has finally worn on him, plus factor in the losing and the non-help, he is just tired.

    It was a closer game for the most part, but the Heat finally pulled away...I didn't watch the game though, I was too busy watching college ball.</div>

    quit making execusez everytime bryant play bad. just admit it for once. Everybody is tired not just kobe. Dwayne played more games than kobe this year but still he went out and did his thing. so please man kobe wasn't tired he just simply had one of his bad game.
     
    VC #15, Mar 18, 2005
    #49
  10. bshocker1

    bshocker1 JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2004
    Messages:
    100
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Keep in mind D-Wade has other people playing defense on his team. Kobe is the only real defensive threat for the Lakers. By the end, he is exhausted. Miami also has a deep bench, which allows others to be well rested. I'm not making excuses for Kobe...but the facts are th facts. If you put The Flash in the same position, he'd be dragging at the end of games too!

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting VC #15:</div><div class="quote_post">quit making execusez everytime bryant play bad. just admit it for once. Everybody is tired not just kobe. Dwayne played more games than kobe this year but still he went out and did his thing. so please man kobe wasn't tired he just simply had one of his bad game.</div>
     
    bshocker1, Mar 18, 2005
    #50
  11. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2003
    Messages:
    42,357
    Likes Received:
    502
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Temecula
    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting VC #15:</div><div class="quote_post">quit making execusez everytime bryant play bad. just admit it for once. Everybody is tired not just kobe. Dwayne played more games than kobe this year but still he went out and did his thing. so please man kobe wasn't tired he just simply had one of his bad game.</div>

    Are you kidding me? When did I say that he didn't play bad? Kobe is the only one who plays 100% every night. Do Caron, Lamar, Chucky, Mihm, Slava, Cook, Jones, Walton, Grant, and the rest of the crew bring it every night like Kobe? <font color="Red"><font size="1">Edit for profanity Shapecity</font></font>

    You can't even compare Wade's situation to Kobe, that is moronic. Is Wade the main player on his team? No. Is Wade the only one playing defense and chasing around players non-stop on his team? No. Does Kobe have another superstar to relieve a lot of pressure off of him? No. Does Wade? Yes.

    They aren't excuses, they are facts.
     
    Mamba, Mar 18, 2005
    #51
  12. Zoltar

    Zoltar JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2004
    Messages:
    263
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    today's game against Indiana was pathetic, i dont know how we lost, Kobe played horribly. He is way to tired. Either we start winning or we wont go to playoffs
     
    Zoltar, Mar 18, 2005
    #52
  13. Sex Panther

    Sex Panther works every time.

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2004
    Messages:
    5,528
    Likes Received:
    93
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Ask.
    Location:
    Toronto, ON
    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Either we start winning or we wont go to playoffs</div>
    great theory [​IMG]

    What is up with Kobe? Reggie just torched them tonight. I don't understand why Kobe is settling for jumpers and barely attemoted any free-throws, lazy performance by him tonight.
     
    Sex Panther, Mar 18, 2005
    #53
  14. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2003
    Messages:
    45,018
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Lakers are done. They had to win at least 3 on this road trip, they struggled to win 2. The Nuggets won again tonight and their schedule gets easier, while the Lakers schedule gets harder. The Lakers just need to spend their remaining games learning how to play the triangle and work with each other. They have to work on getting better for next year. This year is officially over with tonight's loss. The Lakers body language showed they've given up on themselves for the season, hanging their heads low after their 4th straight loss. The Lakers have dipped under the .500 mark.
     
    Shapecity, Mar 18, 2005
    #54
  15. WadeDynasty

    WadeDynasty JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2004
    Messages:
    962
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you kidding me? When did I say that he didn't play bad? Kobe is the only one who plays 100% every night. Do Caron, Lamar, Chucky, Mihm, Slava, Cook, Jones, Walton, Grant, and the rest of the crew bring it every night like Kobe? <font color="Red"><font size="1">Edit for profanity Shapecity</font></font>

    You can't even compare Wade's situation to Kobe, that is moronic. Is Wade the main player on his team? No. Is Wade the only one playing defense and chasing around players non-stop on his team? No. Does Kobe have another superstar to relieve a lot of pressure off of him? No. Does Wade? Yes.

    They aren't excuses, they are facts.</div>
    That's why Kobe gets paid the most [​IMG]
    Whether facts or excuses, I don't care. I just want the Lakers fans to know "one man can't do it all"
    Beginning of the season, most Lakers fans were saying how Kobe's gonna win(even on the Christmas Day battle) and Lakers will go to playoffs and those fans looked down on other members who basically posted something like "Kobe can't do it all by himself". You Lakers fans were so stuck up and sure Kobe was going to take the Lakers to the playoffs and do even better than Shaq and the HEAT. I won't name names cuz I don't want to get a PM with lots of F*** but whoever did say that, you know you thought Kobe was going to take the Lakers to the playoffs.
    Well what's the ...excuse or...fact now?
     
    WadeDynasty, Mar 18, 2005
    #55
  16. yanix

    yanix JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Messages:
    544
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    the way things are now, i'd be happy if the lakers didnt make the playoffs.

    i'd rather they get a lottery pick than going into the playoffs and being eliminated in the first round by the spurs. we could get a good pg and acquire a pf in the off-season.
     
    yanix, Mar 18, 2005
    #56
  17. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2003
    Messages:
    45,018
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    48
    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">That's why Kobe gets paid the most [​IMG]
    Whether facts or excuses, I don't care. I just want the Lakers fans to know "one man can't do it all"
    Beginning of the season, most Lakers fans were saying how Kobe's gonna win(even on the Christmas Day battle) and Lakers will go to playoffs and those fans looked down on other members who basically posted something like "Kobe can't do it all by himself". You Lakers fans were so stuck up and sure Kobe was going to take the Lakers to the playoffs and do even better than Shaq and the HEAT. I won't name names cuz I don't want to get a PM with lots of F*** but whoever did say that, you know you thought Kobe was going to take the Lakers to the playoffs.
    Well what's the ...excuse or...fact now?</div>
    I'll own up to that claim. I predicted the Lakers finishing as the 6th seed in the West. A lot has happened to both teams since the start of the season though. The Lakers were not able to re-sign Karl Malone, Vlade Divac & Devean George have been out for the entire season, Rudy T quit, and Kobe got injured for 15 games.

    Then you also have to take into account what other teams in the West have accomplished. No one expected the Suns or Sonics to be so dominant. The Rockets made a lot of key moves to improve their team. Both Memphis and Denver made positive coaching changes. Dallas, Sacramento, and San Antonio were locks. Minnesota has been disappointing, but at the beginning of the season a fully healthy Laker team was right there to compete in the middle of the pack.

    The Heat on the other hand made a lot of moves to improve their team since their original roster. I also expected Shaq to play at most 62 games, but he came into the season healthy and hungry again. The irony is if he had did that the last 4 years with the Lakers, he would have received the extension he wanted. The Heat also benefitted from the Pacers having to play without Artest all season and now JO as well.

    So much has happened since Day 1 of the season, so it's easy to look back in hindsight and criticize Laker fans for believing Kobe could lead the team to the playoffs.

    As for the Christmas Day game, the Lakers lost by only 2 points, and Caron Butler didn't even play. It wasn't so far fetched to say the Lakers could win the game, because they almost did.
     
    Shapecity, Mar 18, 2005
    #57
  18. WadeDynasty

    WadeDynasty JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2004
    Messages:
    962
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Nah I don't want to criticize the Kobe fans cuz it's natural to defend their fav players. And I respect them for their die hard love for their fav player. I just want them to just for once to admit that Kobe can't do it all by himself. NOT ADMIT THAT KOBE NEVER PLAYS BAD cuz i know most of them won't admit and give excuses instead.
    Don't get me wrong cuz I think Kobe is a hell of a player. The best guard since MJ. I'm a Wade fan but do I think Wade is better than Kobe? HELL NO. Wade needs at least few more years to put up stats like Kobe does. So please don't bring up criticizing Wade's game and how Wade is doing good with Shaq inside, making Wade more dangerous, turnovers blah blah cuz I'm tired of hearing that.
    Like Yanix has stated, it would be better if the Lakers did bad this season and go for the lottery pick cuz Kobe needs another 20+ scorer or 2 other players who can give him at least 15 on CONSISTENT BASIS. So far, when I watch the Lakers game, they always shoot 3s. (Now I know some Lakers fan's gonna bring up "nah man look! these teams took more 3s than us" but please don't) They make those 3s, they win, they don't, they don't win. I think that the Lakers need a big presence inside. With Kobe(again the best guard since MJ) and that big man, and Lamar Odom do some damage here and there, the Lakers will be back in the playoffs.

    p.s just wondering...How the hell is Kobe tired????? He didn't play 14-15 consecutive games. I'd be happy if Kobe 8 Ball would answer that question.
     
    WadeDynasty, Mar 18, 2005
    #58
  19. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2003
    Messages:
    45,018
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Fair enough. I think everyone can agree Kobe cannot and will not ever be able to win all on his own. Every superstar needs the right players around them. Right now Kobe just has not had that opportunity and it's going to take two or three more years before the puzzle is put together for the Lakers.

    As for their needs, a defensive point guard and a power forward is what they need. They need a point guard who can guard the fast players on the court, Iverson, Parker, etc. They also need a power forward, similar to Haslem for the Heat, who will do the dirty work and be relentless on the boards and knows how to use his body on defense. Getting a power forward, will also allow Odom to play SF, and Butler to be the 6th man, or simply trade Butler.
     
    Shapecity, Mar 18, 2005
    #59
  20. DMKfromTPL

    DMKfromTPL JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2004
    Messages:
    309
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    all in all, someone needs to slap that kufi off "wadedynasty" head real quick. Rockin the "jbb laker fans" in his sig yet he come to the laker board when LA is $h!ttin the bed.

    I LOVE LA, I LOVE KOBE n I LOVE SHAQ, I LOVE THE NBA and ima rock my teams colors no matter if they are 15 games under 500, i supported them through 3 championships! how many banners do the heat fans have to rep ?? *Crickets chirp*...*tumbleweeds roll by* ..

    No disrespect, but im sick of people making little stops by the Laker board whenever we play bad, like the LA fans dont know that we playing bad...WE KNOW. Just like we know that there is 14 BANNERS..(Count em) hanging in the staples center.

    ***Mods, sorry...just emotional time for me and my LA boys, edit and delete all you want, no disrespect meant, just sick of people kicking us while we down.*

    Kobe is 26....he has plenty of time, even the GOAT didnt win a ring until he was 29....

    DMK
     
    DMKfromTPL, Mar 18, 2005
    #60
Page 3 of 5

Share This Page