Loss of Deng hurt the Bulls

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  1. MarkDeeks

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    I don't know who you are, so the chances I ever asked you to help me are pretty slim. What I do know is you have no idea what you are talking about. If you really think that is the sum total of the process, if you want to confidently know best about something you don't really know about, if you want to tell everyone you can find that all the tons of work others put in to try to give you what you want is actually little more than a lazy cop-out and hearsay, good luck to you.
     
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  2. TomBoerwinkle#1

    TomBoerwinkle#1 Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Wow. Sham not happy.
     
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  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    You contacted me when I was admin at BBF. Your questions to me were of the sort, "how would one go about doing this." And you did ask me to help, but I was busy with BBF.

    If you are going by what's reported in the press, it is hearsay plain and simple. If you have access to the actual contracts, feel free to say so.

    If an agent allegedly tells a reporter who prints information naming "someone familiar with the details," then it's hearsay.

    EDIT: I don't mean any disrespect. I acknowledge the hard work you put into your site and salary data.

    The next few posts cast doubt on the veracity of any or all of the data. This does not mean the data isn't the best we can possibly get.
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    http://www.blogabull.com/2014/5/29/...report-suggests-it-may-not-take-much-to-bring

    Nikola Mirotic rumors: Report suggests it may not take much to bring Euro Star stateside

    could we have been wrong about what Mirotic is currently being paid?

    Jay linked to a great Bulls offseason analysis by Basketball Insiders's (formerly HoopsWorld) Nate Duncan, which detailed a lot of moving parts. One of particular note was his thoughts on Bulls draftee Nikola Mirotic.

    Emphasis mine, since Duncan is kind of stepping out with this reporting, here. He could be totally wrong which makes the rest of this fantasy, but if not...

    The consensus figure we previously had on Mirotic's Real Madrid salary was $4.4m, which is a major difference than what Duncan is using. In fact, Duncan himself had Mirotic under that amount until 'multiple sources' told him that Mirotic was actually making far less currently.
     
  5. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer...ess-is-melo-willing-to-take-to-leave-new-york

    Further, if the Bulls are under the cap, they'd only have their $2.7 million room exception to bring 2011 pick Nikola Mirotic over from Spain. League sources say Mirotic would be looking for a deal in the $3 million-$4 million range. (He's no longer governed by the rookie scale, and the Bulls have planned for needing the bulk of their non-taxpayer mid-level exception of $5.3 million on him, sources say.)
     
  6. Denny Crane

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    http://hoopshype.com/columns/mark-deeks/teams-finding-new-ways-to-spend-lavishly

    NBA teams finding new ways to spend lavishly

    May 22, 2014 @ 06:10 PM ET by Mark Deeks

    Coaching and executive salaries are far more difficult to verify than player salaries. There is an internal NBA database of player salaries; there has to be, as the exact figures involved matter for the purposes of meeting specific CBA provisions and roster management. Executives of rival teams still need to know the salaries of another team's players lest they seek to acquire them, for the salary they earn determines how they can do so.

    (Sham - you have access to it, or not?)
     
  7. MarkDeeks

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    I have nothing to prove to you, sir. If the product is not good enough for you, don't use it. If it is, do use it. Do as you please. But if you don't know what you are talking about, I would suggest you don't say nothing. You talk about the methodology of my work like a right know-it-all without knowing even a dollop. It's disrespectful.
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    Do tell about the methodology. I ask you to prove nothing.
     
  9. MarkDeeks

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    No. End of the conversation.
     
  10. kukoc4ever

    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    Can't just give away the intellectual property away for free. Otherwise Denny and Bullsville.net could take it and make thousands! :)
     
  11. Bullsville

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    Of course I could be wrong, but it seems as if a reasonable person might assume that ESPN- which does hundreds of millions of dollars worth of business with the NBA each year- probably doesn't populate the salaries in their trade machine based on hearsay?

    And that same reasonable person would probably assume that if ESPN has the info, other sources have access to the same info?

    I know I don't, which is why the Bullsville.net Salaries page gives proper credit to (and links to) not only ShamSports.com but also BasketballInsiders.com and HoopsHype.com, and why when I write an article about salary info I am always sure to give credit to (and link to) "the absolute best source on the internet ShamSports.com of course".

    I usually try to link to and credit Larry Coon's CBA FAQ as well when I use it in articles, even when I am using the actual Collective Bargaining Agreement instead. I access the actual CBA through the NBA's media website, so it doesn't make much sense to link to a page that the general public can't access.

    I have no clue if a copy of the actual Collective Bargaining Agreement is available to the general public or not?

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    If I made a typo or omission in my previous post, it was unintentional.

    Seems to me that everyone directly involved or related by business are restricted from disclosing information about contracts to ESPN or Mark Deeks or RealGM or anyone else.
     
  16. Denny Crane

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    I do not think it is lazy to use hearsay reports to build the spreadsheet. You build a consensus on contract details from multiple sources. You have to constantly watch the news for clues and news. You have to update when you discover errors, the consensus changes, or something like Erik Murphy picked up by Utah (removed his cap hit).
     
  17. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Oh yeah, and solicit emails from viewers if they see an error or have additional information.

    Like at shamsports.com about page.
     
  18. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    And shambulls, I'll help you out after all these years.

    Your site is not very mobile friendly.

    You might check this site out:

    http;//getbootstrap.com


    The skin is free. And it automagically makes your pages fit mobile devices. You can see the effect by visiting that page and shrinking your browser window really small.
     
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    I was able to find boilerplate player contracts at the NBAPA site.
     

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