Lowe: Nurkic is taking qualifying offer

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  1. handiman

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    That wasn't the point. We were bidding against ourselves. (His agent said as much, effectively.) We could have offered him half as much and had a decent chance of getting him still.

    I forget exactly how the process unfolded, but didn't we not want to pay him the max because of health concerns, then in the middle of drawn out negotiations, suddenly do precisely that?
     
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    It seems to me like this would be great for the Blazers. Nurk's cap hold as a RFA is $8.8M. If he takes the QO for $4.1M, it seems to me like that opens up options for sign and trades without worrying about getting hard capped at the apron. @PtldPlatypus , what say you?
     
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    That's what happened, because Roy, even though he was completely done, started campaigning through the media. We as fans didn't know his knees were so bad, so we all wondered why they didn't just pay him. Then he got his huge contract and barely played again, and when he played he was horrible. That's why I'm not a big Roy fan. He screwed us over, badly.
     
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    Can that happen? I guess the challenge is the buying team worrying if they can sign him. But, new team would have his Bird rights?

    This would be interesting at the trade deadline. If Portland did the Gortat deal, and/or Collins breaks out more, maybe you deal Nurkic for value while his contract is low?
     
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    If he signs and plays for the 1 year qualifying offer he can't be dealt without his permission.
     
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    Nurk is gonna DESTROY next season and will be worth whatever the market demands.

    #FACTS
     
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    I think this is perfect....having shorter contracts with bigs comes in handy ...and guys in contract years usually kick it up a notch...shows me Nurk would rather win now than gut the payroll for a longer deal.
     
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    Again? You been hanging with @KingSpeed ? Regardless, I love the optimism and hope you're right!
     
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    He is such a frustrating player. And I love the guy. I even enjoy watching his highlights more than Dame's.

    On one hand, when he's balling, he's REALLY GOOD. Really fucking good. 4 blocks and 28 points good. I'll take that, thank you.

    On the other hand....he is desperately in need of a big man coach or veteran to help mentor him properly about how to use his body under the rim.

    If he develops a 3-point shot and gets a big man coach of distinction, then yes: pay him whatever he wants.

    We all remember how bad our Defense was before he came along. Let's not go back again. Collins isn't there yet, and he's one guy. We need more. Meyers isn't it, and Davis is too small to play Center. And Papagiannis will likely not even be on a roster in 2 years.
     
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    It's interesting that we haven't seen any workout pictures and vids from him so far this off season. Last season he was posting a lot showing how he was slimming down and remaking his body.
     
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    I saw one of him and Musa with a coach....had his Trailblazer shirt on in his home gym....said he loved it here and would be here to address his contract...all smiles.
     
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    That is my hope. Our only real chance to contend is if the players we have now can really develop. We need Nurkic and Collins to become stars. I don't see anyone else on our roster with as much potential to transform the team.
     
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    Spotrac has the tax line projected at 123M (projected), which would put the apron at about 129M.

    I show our taxable salaries for 2018-19 at 113,5M (including the dead money for Varejao, Ezeli, and Nicholson).

    Factor in Nurk's QO (I have it at 4.75M), Simons' guaranteed deal (1.5M), and a min deal for Trent (~850K), and we're at 120.7M for 13 spots--about 8M below the apron.

    So while we're technically below the apron, we're not far enough below that a S&T deal would benefit us at all unless we were not adding much salary.

    But to answer you directly--yes, it could conceivably open up a possibility for an S&T (or even using the non-tax MLE), albeit a very limited one.
     
    PtldPlatypus, Jun 22, 2018
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    They've got the caphold for Nurk's QO at 4.1 mil. Renouncing everybody else (Davis/Napier/Connaughton) and only signing Simons at his rookie scale actually opens up the non-taxpayer MLE and we sneak in about 1.9 mil below the 123 mil tax line.
     
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    PtldPlatypus, Jun 22, 2018
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    I question if Nurk has the desire to be great. The fire to put in the extra work to improve after getting a nice fat contract.
     
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    I want a roster that is filled with guys who have the desire to be a great team more than an individual superstar...that's what I think we have going for us in Portland now...workers not divas
     
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    That 9th pick would be Noah Vonleh. at salary +30%, his equals $4732065

    So insiders and spotrac is more accurate it appears
     
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    Speaking of Noah, is he a FA this summer? He has been in Atlanta working his ass off all off season.
     
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