Maggette to the Warriors

One thing I like about Maggette is he's shot over 80% from the freethrow line for each of the last 7 years, that's something the Warriors really need. With Pietrus (66% over last 3 years) and Davis (69%) leaving, and Harrington (72%) probably leaving, that'll be a nice upgrade.

 

Well the Warriors will get the coolest sounding kids' program.

THE "Uh Oh Maggette-Os" Kid's program

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>deal is for five years and worth around $50 million

a multiyear offer from the Warriors at a starting salary above the mid-level exception, which ESPN.com has learned will be $5.585 million</div>


Looks like Maggette was after the money after all. He could have had a chance at the championship with either the Spurs, Celtics or Lakers for the MLE.

 

What a waste of cap space. I will be nauseas if it is 50 mils for 5 years. This is what the ESPN says as of this moment:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Golden State Warriors on Tuesday conceded defeat in the chase for Elton Brand's signature by quickly moving on to new targets and reaching a faster-than-expected verbal agreement to sign unrestricted free agent Corey Maggette.

<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%">Sources told The Associated Press that the deal is for five years and worth around $50 million</span>.</div>

Blah, what a mediocre move. I'm stunned at Mullin. If he's willing to throw that type of dollars at Magette, who is injury prone, why the hell didn't he throw those dollars at Baron, instead, a position we really need?!

I SERIOUSLY hope the dollar amount is being mis-reported. If it's 7-8 mils, that's excusable, but still dubious. 9-10 mils is just flat out awful.

 

Run just said he saw a report that the deal starts at 6mil. I'm sure Mullin learned his lesson from the 2003 season. Man... were we doomed for years of mediocrity until trades if we're overpaying everybody.

Okay Mags for MLE or only a tiny bit over is fair to me. Mags is a player that I desire on the Warriors roster (flaws and all). He'll be the closest thing to Jrich we've had in a while and Jrich was awesome. I would say the perimeter would be highly turnover prone but it doesn't sound as bad as Fisher/Jrich/Dunleavy. Ellis/Maggette/Jackson actually sounds pretty good. At least 2 of those 3 positions can defend and Maggette can certainly run the floor or pound his way to the free throw line. Plus, I thought the Ellis to Biedrins chemistry was really under-looked by a lot of fans because Ellis is a good passer inside off the drive (Ellis still needs work on post entry feeds and drive and kick).

 

The biggest problem I have is that we didn't want Baron for a long contract becuase he is injury prone, instead we sign a 5 year deal for one of few guys who I consider to be more injury prone than Baron.

But as long as we're banking on miraculous health, we still have about 13-14 mil left after Ellis and Andris, the same amount Baron is reportedly signing for...hmmm. He can't be happy with Brand and Magette leaving and I don't think anything's official yet. Until he actually signs I'm praying this has been Mullin's plan all along.

 

Here's what Matt Steinmetz says about Maggette:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The real concern Warriors fans should have is if management, perhaps feeling the sting of Davis' departure and a possible snubbing by Brand, makes a desperate stab at Maggette as a way of demonstrating it's not sitting on its hands.

If the Warriors give Maggette more than three years at more than $6 million per, they're going to regret the move.

And here’s why:

⇒First off, Maggette is injury prone. He’s been in the league nine seasons and has played 70 or more games just four times in his career. Maggette’s body says Iron Man; his stats say Tin Man.

⇒Maggette is a great sub, the kind of aggressive scorer you love coming off the bench. He has a shoot first mentality and is a mediocre defender at best. In other words, as a sixth man he’s great, as a starter he’s not.

⇒Maggette has made it clear he wants to start and be a primary offensive option. But he’s the type of high-maintenance player who doesn’t make teammates better. In fact, because he doesn’t create much, there tends to be a lot of standing around when he’s got the ball on the perimeter.

⇒Maggette has never played for a winner. His teams have missed the playoffs in eight of the nine seasons he’s been in the league. The one year a Maggette team made the playoffs was in 2006, when the Clippers made it to the postseason. That year Maggette played 32 games.

Corey Maggette at three years, $16 or $17 million or so … maybe. Corey Maggette at five years for $40 million? No way.</div>
Ouch. I respect Steinmetz's opinions and I think he is dead-on right on this too.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HiRez @ Jul 9 2008, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's what Matt Steinmetz says about Maggette:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The real concern Warriors fans should have is if management, perhaps feeling the sting of Davis' departure and a possible snubbing by Brand, makes a desperate stab at Maggette as a way of demonstrating it's not sitting on its hands.

If the Warriors give Maggette more than three years at more than $6 million per, they're going to regret the move.

And here’s why:

⇒First off, Maggette is injury prone. He’s been in the league nine seasons and has played 70 or more games just four times in his career. Maggette’s body says Iron Man; his stats say Tin Man.

⇒Maggette is a great sub, the kind of aggressive scorer you love coming off the bench. He has a shoot first mentality and is a mediocre defender at best. In other words, as a sixth man he’s great, as a starter he’s not.

⇒Maggette has made it clear he wants to start and be a primary offensive option. But he’s the type of high-maintenance player who doesn’t make teammates better. In fact, because he doesn’t create much, there tends to be a lot of standing around when he’s got the ball on the perimeter.

⇒Maggette has never played for a winner. His teams have missed the playoffs in eight of the nine seasons he’s been in the league. The one year a Maggette team made the playoffs was in 2006, when the Clippers made it to the postseason. That year Maggette played 32 games.

Corey Maggette at three years, $16 or $17 million or so … maybe. Corey Maggette at five years for $40 million? No way.</div>
Ouch. I respect Steinmetz's opinions and I think he is dead-on right on this too.
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Yup, I heard him on the radio this morning and he relayed what he wrote there. Just a very poor move by the Warriors.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Jul 9 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok apparently they just said on sportscenter Maggette's deal starts at around 6 mils. If so then its a steal and just barely above the MLE. Anyone else see this?</div>

 

Question for you Warriors fans, does the signing of Maggette mean that Jackson might be traded knowing that both play the same position and are about the same height? (Mag. 6'6, SJ 6'8)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jul 9 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Question for you Warriors fans, does the signing of Maggette mean that Jackson might be traded knowing that both play the same position and are about the same height? (Mag. 6'6, SJ 6'8)</div>

Certainly not. In Nelson's system, 6'6" means you will play from SG to PF in any given moment. Also, if you are strong, be ready to play C as well...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jul 9 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Question for you Warriors fans, does the signing of Maggette mean that Jackson might be traded knowing that both play the same position and are about the same height? (Mag. 6'6, SJ 6'8)</div>

I hope not, Jax can play the 2 and Mags 3, or the other way around; although I think Jax has more real 2 guard skills. There's no way I would want to get rid of Jax for Magette. We already lost our best player, we can't afford to get rid of arguably our second best player too.

 

Mags' lateral quickness is to slow to play shooting guard, but he's got enough skills to play a little bit of shooting guard. He's a small forward almost all the way in the Jrich type of way. An inside outside scoring machine that can rebound. That describes what a small forward is supposed to do in most offenses. What Mags is is an inside-outside open court player so there's no question he would fit right in. Since Sjax is more of a two guard with his shooting, ballhandling and passing, he'd probably fit next to Mags perfectly. It's a 2-3 crossover positions with the taller 6'8 guy playing shooting guard and the short heavier 6'6 guy playing small forward.

What I'm really impressed by is that he can do a full forward flip. Not bad for a 6'6 guy with a high center of gravity.

http://mindofmullin.blogspot.com/2008/07/m...yself-this.html (The youtube vid at the 3:45 mark).

 

Wow CR2, he got a lot of air on that front flip and just damn. The front flip takes place at 3:56. And here is the vid, just so people dont have to go to the article first. Nice find.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 9 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow CR2, he got a lot of air on that front flip and just damn. The front flip takes place at 3:56. And here is the vid, just so people dont have to go to the article first. Nice find.
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Thanks,

Well, actually the front flip is shown twice just from different angles. But yeah he's got some major athleticism and coordination to pull that off, especially with his size. That also shows fearlessness. I probably was capable of doing those at one time, but I was afraid since a buddy of mine who was a gymnist broke his neck doing that. I'm like I ain't doing that, the risk is too great if you screw up. It looks cool, but serves no practical use other than to impress the socks off people.

Not to nitpick but it would have been much cooler if Mags held a ball, flipped and then dunked it before landing. It'd be like NBA JAM tournament addition. Boom-shaka-laka! He's on fire!

 

lol that would be pretty cool. However it would be pretty hard to get enough air on a front flip to do it, especially to do it at the end when he would be pretty much landing. If Dwight could do a front flip he might be able to pull it off.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 9 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol that would be pretty cool. However it would be pretty hard to get enough air on a front flip to do it, especially to do it at the end when he would be pretty much landing. If Dwight could do a front flip he might be able to pull it off.</div>

A 7 footer weighing 265 pounds in a forward flip would be amazing. It'd be like Shaq winning the Kentucky Derby as a jockey.

I bet nobody can do it unless they have a trampoline. Now that I think about it... there needs to be more Vince Carters and Jrich's to come up with a dunk that's of the top 5 best ever dunks variety. Some of the best dunks I've seen weren't even by pros. I saw this one guy do do a 360 twice before dunking. It's a 720 dunk, but that name is misleading because you can also spin along the end over end instead of horizontal. I think a cool dunk would be to pass the ball once under each leg back and forth after catching it off the backboard. Jrich already claimed he can do the off the backboard underneath the leg as he's attempting the 360 dunk. I can believe that part. That would have been sick if he could pulled that off because Fred Jones' winning dunk was so boring. I'll give Dwight Howard props for his props and the fact he is one of the best leapers for a guy that large. Up until then, no guy above 6'8 would ever have a chance at winning a dunk title. Which is why I proposed weight classes for dunk contests.

 

Thanks for the answers guys, I appreciate it.

I hope you keep Jackson as well, Warriors have always been exciting to watch. (last few years for me)