<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">^^^ Actually the Magic look more promising for a championship then the Nets do. Jason Kidd isn't getting any younger and aside from Nenad and RJ, they don't really have talents in heaps and bounds...definetly not enough to make a playoff run to the Finals. If he signed with the Magic in 2007, he'd be second only to Dwight on that team and with a big man as domininating as I believe DW will be, along with Jameer Nelson (a pass first point guard), that Orlando team would be DEADLY. And I haven't even mentioned DARKO and the possibility of JJ Reddick transforming into a decent NBA player....wow that is actually quite a scary prospect if he joins the Magic in '07.</div>Vince could do for Dwight Howard what he did for Chris Bosh
lol...sorry to sound like a jerk, but its almost funny to watch nets fans anticipate loyalty from vince. expect him to walk...ill be surprised if he stays. call me bitter or jaded...thats the character i have seen from vince.
To be honest, I do not think that the Nets will sign Carter for any longer than next year. Krstic is going to demand quite a bir of money, Kidd will be making 21 million, RJ, 13 Million. I do not think that the Nets will want to afford both Vince and Krstic at any more than 16 million total. That means Carter will have to take a pay hit on a contract starting at 8-10 million (where Krstic will probably start at 6-8 million). I do not think that Carter will take such a pay hit. Therefore, if he takes his option next year, he will definitly be signable the year after next year by anyone willing to pay more than 10 million. Whether he takes his option for next year is a big question. I think that it would be best for the Nets if he did take his option. That way they are not pressured to pay big now, and the year after next have a headache about signing Krstic.
That's right! If Carter leaves... The Nets confidence will have a huge difference... Their confidence will be boosted up! Without Carter the Nets were East Champs for 2 straight years! And where may I ask has Carter brought the Raptors? FYI... Michael Jordan has 6 NBA rings, 10 scoring titles. 5 MVP's, 6 Finals MVP and a Defensive Player of the Year and countless more records. It's not a question of bowing down... It's RESPECT! Carter will be lucky to be even a quarter of MJ!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ma3oxuct:</div><div class="quote_post">Also, Carter allegedly volunteered to give up his spot. He did it before the game, so the reporters had been exeggerating.</div> Actually Carter didn't give up his spot until only after the other starters (headed by Iverson) said that they wouldn't play.
Yep, that's why Carter lead a huge turnaround last year that sent us to the playoffs. But hey, I agree they'd be better off without him .
I don't understand the loyalty thing, consdering this is a business, and the players themselves could get traded any time, how can you expect "loyalty". I mean unless the guy promises to stay with a team, there's no loyalty aspect there, if you're a FA you can go wherever you want.
^ well said, its all about money and if you were in there shoes you know damn right youd take the most money
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AMS_ice:</div><div class="quote_post">Carter has given what?! All Carter has done is use his time to clean up his stats. What work he has put out is for himself and not for the team. And YES... The Nets gave him a second chance. And you say that the Nets got him for nothing? Maybe thats because no other team wants him, thats why the Nets got him for almost nothing... so in that, The Nets gave him a second chance. Carter is a good player to have, I will even admit that, but even without him the Nets can get to the playoffs... Carter is out for himself. He's out for his own glory. He's a player who is not willing to sacrifice for the team. Here's a player who was refusing to give up his ALL-STAR starting spot for Michael Jordan... Michael Jordan... Probably the best Player in basketball history... Allen Iverson and the others were not going to play if MJ didn't start... Carter couldn't give up his spot on his own. Carter has no RESPECT!</div> Why you always hating on VC?
The Nets were headed down hill before they got Vince, they were no where near the playoffs when he got there, and he turned it around and basically got them in the playoffs. Even when Rj got hurt, so dont say he hasnt dont nothing for the team because thats bs. You can say kidd made him better and he did it all but the truth is carter did yes kidd did help him, but vince was a scoring machine before he came to the nets. Bashing VC about how he hasnt done anything is dumb, its his choice he seems to like it in NJ we will just have to wait and see.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AMS_ice:</div><div class="quote_post">That's right! If Carter leaves... The Nets confidence will have a huge difference... Their confidence will be boosted up! Without Carter the Nets were East Champs for 2 straight years! And where may I ask has Carter brought the Raptors? FYI... Michael Jordan has 6 NBA rings, 10 scoring titles. 5 MVP's, 6 Finals MVP and a Defensive Player of the Year and countless more records. It's not a question of bowing down... It's RESPECT! Carter will be lucky to be even a quarter of MJ!</div> The nets haven't been champs for quite a while man. Ever since Kenyon left they were nowhere close to it. Carter made a huge difference, whether u'd want to admit it or not. In fact, if Carter left, and the nets were at the bottom, you would probably not watch the nets anymore, and just ignore everything. That's what a lot of people in Toronto did. Michael Jordan is the best man.. no doubt.. but why do you have to compare Carter to him? Are there many players comparable to Jordan? Probably not, but if the fans vote you in as the top vote-getter, you should be allowed to start out of respect for us fans, after all, it is us who pay to watch them. And for them to have Jordan come out when the fans clearly voted for Carter to come out, it's a matter of principle, regardless of how good Jordan might be. Now I know we all love Jordan, but meh anyways, I hated Carter when he left Toronto, but I know how much he's done for Toronto as well. There will be a huge difference if he leaves.
AMS_ice, your hating on Carter way too much. He has done more than what you give credit for. W/o him you guys wouldn't be in the spot you have been. 3rd seed in the East would have been damn near impossible without that Trio. He helps you guys more than hurts and you should know that if your a Nets fan, especially a lot of his clutch shots he has hit. Also I don't know where you guys are coming from when you say Vince was a scoring machine b4 he came to the Nets and that he is unselfish. He has taken the most shots in his career in NJ last year. He also has the most attempted FG's on that team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting michiganave17:</div><div class="quote_post">Nelson Reddick Carter Howard Darko Thats kind of sick. Do It Vince DO IT!!!!!</div> No defense from the wings. We would avg giving up a good 105 ppg easily. Could you imagine VC or JJ guarding the opposing teams best wing? I sure as hell can't and don't want to. JJ will be on the bench and we will likely start Ariza. Hedo has a better shot at starting at SF then JJ does at SG if we wanted the no defense look. I'm against the Magic getting VC too, unless it's really short term. (like 2-3 years max) and even then I would probably pass. I don't want to give him a 5-6 year max deal because he is getting older and his skills will eventually start to diminish. In Orlando, Dwight Howard is the man. Vince Carter would not be the man. VC has never not been the man, can he handle it? Also I know it's been in the past, but his injury and character problems turn me against him. Plus we've already got 2 wings that don't play much defense, we need to find a quality defensive wing, rather than the scorer. Also the Magic's run last year was based on balance, so adding someone who will likely take 20 shots a game won't help our balance.
I don't expect Vince to stay in New Jersey. It looks like he's just padding his stats until he gets to free agency. He'll go to whoever offers him the most money and where he can get the most media attention.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't expect Vince to stay in New Jersey. It looks like he's just padding his stats until he gets to free agency. He'll go to whoever offers him the most money and where he can get the most media attention.</div> I agree with most of that, and I just don't understand why Jefferson is quietly on the block. Carter should be there instead of him. Like I have said before, it will be stupid to trade away Jefferson if Carter ends up leaving anyway.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't expect Vince to stay in New Jersey. It looks like he's just padding his stats until he gets to free agency. He'll go to whoever offers him the most money and where he can get the most media attention.</div> I think he could do a much better job at padding his stats if that's what he's trying to achieve. I definately wouldn't call what he's doing padding his stats, some people are acting like because Vince played 30 MPG and wasn't being allowed to do the same things he was before for half a season in Toronto he became sucky. In reply to AMS_ice. New Jersey didn't "give him a second chance", Vince didn't need anyone to give him a second chance, I don't know where you got that idea from. Any team he went to he would've done good, him playing well was not specific to Jersey, lol. New Jersey trading what they didn't want for him is not giving him a second chance, thats called getting a very good player for nothing. People still say this "no one wanted him", but please, do you think GM's actually thought he just magically became sucky? If people haven't realized, usually when trades like this go down, teams are trying to squeeze as much as they can without losing anything. Teams wanted him, but they wanted him for as little as possible. Then you consider the Raptors being the ones with their hands down since they looked desperate to trade him, and that they weren't even playing him, what value can you expect to get there? At least if you want to trade a guy, play him, I mean teams do this with crappy players, and we're talking about a guy who's an All-Star every year and you bench him for the whatever crew (can't remember what Chuck called them) who became useless after the first half of the season anyways. Also I found if funny that you were talking about the Nets before Carter. First of all, the Nets before Carter lost to the Pistons in 03-04. Secondly, while the Nets making the finals was very good, let's put it in perspective, the East was extremely weak then. That Nets team is not better than the Miami and Detroit the past two seasons, so I don't see what point you're trying to make with that. The coach and GM need to be clear on things like that. Even if Vince was playing bad, if we were going to make the playoffs or do anything in the playoffs that season we would need him. Similarly, if you want to get value while trading him, you would have to play him, so benching him really did nothing for the team itself, it was the worst scenario for everyone involved. Anyways, like I said, loyalty is not a word to use in this business. People always talk about players being loyal, yet it's perfectly fine that teams don't have this same obligation. Do you think it's fun for guys to have to pack their bags and move, and sometimes move their families. You know these guys have lives too, so IMO, screw loyalty, that's stupid to me in something like this which is such a business, and loyalty is not even a real concept. It's okay for the team to discard players to improve themselves, but the players now have an obligation to stay with the team when they are free agents? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm against the Magic getting VC too, unless it's really short term. (like 2-3 years max) and even then I would probably pass. I don't want to give him a 5-6 year max deal because he is getting older and his skills will eventually start to diminish. In Orlando, Dwight Howard is the man. Vince Carter would not be the man. VC has never not been the man, can he handle it? Also I know it's been in the past, but his injury and character problems turn me against him. Plus we've already got 2 wings that don't play much defense, we need to find a quality defensive wing, rather than the scorer. Also the Magic's run last year was based on balance, so adding someone who will likely take 20 shots a game won't help our balance.</div> Considering the constant complaint has been that he wants to defer to teamamtes he shouldn't be deffering to so much, I don't think that's a problem at all. I agree about the defense thing, Vince actually is not a "bad" defender, though not a good one, and if you guys have Dwight and Darko in the middle, help defense like that can make many guys look better than they actually are defensively (Check Rip Hamilton on the Pistons).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">Why you always hating on VC?</div> Well I wouldn't say "hate" its more like frustrated. Fact is, I enjoy watching his highlights. But that doesn't translate to wins. It's frustrating to have Kidd, Carter and Jefferson and not go deep in the playoffs. Carter is a big part of the Nets offense. But like I keep stressing... Carter must learn to let the game come to him rather than forcing the issue so much. The Nets has one of the best trio's in the NBA if not the best. Carter has to think team first.
yea i mean its sad when kidd jefferson and carter can't beet a team that goes to the post with shaq where we need to double team him where he usually kicks out and he got screwed, its sad that we didnt have anyone quick enough to guard wade. its sad that our 6th man didnt play that series. as much as i hate to say it THE NETS WERENT DEEP ENOUGH LAST YEAR TO REALLY DO ANYTHING. we had absolutly no bench. and considering we lost to the champions its not that bad. enough if we did beat miami and detriot dallas would of out played us BECAUSE THERE SO DEEP. you cant blame it on carter that hes forcing it when otehr than jefferson our scoring is limited. face it kidd is a smart player but not a great jump shooter, and hes not what he use to be to drive it in. jefferson has a nice jumper and can get inside, collins cant play offense period. and nenad just disappered. so no its not vince's fault that we lost to miami, and im not at all surprised that we lost to miami.
