<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AMS_ice:</div><div class="quote_post">Well I wouldn't say "hate" its more like frustrated. Fact is, I enjoy watching his highlights. But that doesn't translate to wins. It's frustrating to have Kidd, Carter and Jefferson and not go deep in the playoffs. Carter is a big part of the Nets offense. But like I keep stressing... Carter must learn to let the game come to him rather than forcing the issue so much. The Nets has one of the best trio's in the NBA if not the best. Carter has to think team first.</div> You lost to the team that went on the win the championship. Unless you seriously thought Vince, RJ and Kidd + Krstic with no bench was the best team in the league, I don't know what you're complaining about. The East is better now, this isn't 2001-2003, having 3 good guys with no depth isn't going to get you to the finals, and even those Nets teams had depth.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Well I wouldn't say "hate" its more like frustrated. Fact is, I enjoy watching his highlights. But that doesn't translate to wins. It's frustrating to have Kidd, Carter and Jefferson and not go deep in the playoffs. Carter is a big part of the Nets offense. But like I keep stressing... Carter must learn to let the game come to him rather than forcing the issue so much. The Nets has one of the best trio's in the NBA if not the best. Carter has to think team first. </div> What??? You expected to go "Deep into the playoffs" with a super trio and a pretty good forward in Nenad while the rest of your team consisted of 3rd rate players?? Not to mention Uncle Cliffy disappeared on account of the sticky stuff And Carter is actually a team player....in fact, like everyone else says, he passes way too much sometimes...I don't know, but it just seems like you're finding reasons to pick on him or let out your frustrations on the "star player". I wouldn't blame VC for your problems, I'd blame your GM....and remember that before December '04, you guys were a sinking ship...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AMS_ice:</div><div class="quote_post">Well I wouldn't say "hate" its more like frustrated. Fact is, I enjoy watching his highlights. But that doesn't translate to wins. It's frustrating to have Kidd, Carter and Jefferson and not go deep in the playoffs. Carter is a big part of the Nets offense. But like I keep stressing... Carter must learn to let the game come to him rather than forcing the issue so much. The Nets has one of the best trio's in the NBA if not the best. Carter has to think team first.</div> So you blame the star player for losing? The Nets are not a deep team all they have is Carter, Kidd, Jefferson, and Krstic and you expect them to beat the Heat. The Nets even lost thier best bench player. If you're gonna blame someone it should be Clifford Robinson. This year was our chance for the title and what does Cilff do, he gets drugs and lets his team down by being suspended for the Heat/Nets series. We played great the first game when we had Robinson but when he got suspended we lost all momentum and team chemistry. Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson had to do everything becasue Krsitc was struggling to probably cause he had Haslem guarding him. After we lost Cliff I knew it would be over for the Nets. It was practically Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson vs. the Miami Heat. Now getting back to Vince, where were the Nets last year with Kidd and Jefferson? Last place in the atlantic division. Jefferson got injured and Kidd was recovering from surgery so they traded for Vince Carter. When VC got to New Jersey there was a big mess he had to clean up with Jefferson gone he took over avarging about 30 ppg. Carter had basically no one to work with Jefferson was out, Kidd was not 100%, and Krstic was a rookie. Vince played great, he played like and MVP type player and got the last place Nets to the playyoffs as the last seed. I don't know why you are putting all of the blame on Vince. Alot of people are saying VC can't carry a team but the truth is that he can.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post"> Now getting back to Vince, where were the Nets last year with Kidd and Jefferson? Last place in the atlantic division. Jefferson got injured and Kidd was recovering from surgery so they traded for Vince Carter. When VC got to New Jersey there was a big mess he had to clean up with Jefferson gone he took over avarging about 30 ppg. Carter had basically no one to work with Jefferson was out, Kidd was not 100%, and Krstic was a rookie. Vince played great, he played like and MVP type player and got the last place Nets to the playyoffs as the last seed. I don't know why you are putting all of the blame on Vince. Alot of people are saying VC can't carry a team but the truth is that he can. </div> I find that to be totally, true, you put it into the best perspective. I am a total raptors fan for life, but I appreciate everything Vince has done for the raps. Problem is that Vince tends to get blamed for everything even if he is the best player on the team. He will bring ppl to the playoffs but ppl will still hate him. How can someone expect NJ to beat the world champion Miami Heat? A team that has Shaq, Wade, Alonzo, Walker, Payton. Carter needs a lot more credit than he got, but I can totally see New Jersey fans blaming and hating on Carter, after these same fans, told us Raptor fans to suck it up when they got Vince and their team became elite because of it. Now if he does leave, they're gonna act exactly the same, hating on Vince. *Waits for angry Nets fans*
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post"> Now getting back to Vince, where were the Nets last year with Kidd and Jefferson? Last place in the atlantic division. Jefferson got injured and Kidd was recovering from surgery so they traded for Vince Carter. When VC got to New Jersey there was a big mess he had to clean up with Jefferson gone he took over avarging about 30 ppg. Carter had basically no one to work with Jefferson was out, Kidd was not 100%, and Krstic was a rookie. Vince played great, he played like and MVP type player and got the last place Nets to the playyoffs as the last seed. I don't know why you are putting all of the blame on Vince. Alot of people are saying VC can't carry a team but the truth is that he can. </div> where were the Nets last season? You said it... Jefferson was out and Kidd was recovering from surgery... That's why they were in the cellar. You just answered your own question. And yeah... your right... Carter can carry a team... look were the Nets are...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Junoon:</div><div class="quote_post">What??? You expected to go "Deep into the playoffs" with a super trio and a pretty good forward in Nenad while the rest of your team consisted of 3rd rate players?? Not to mention Uncle Cliffy disappeared on account of the sticky stuff And Carter is actually a team player....in fact, like everyone else says, he passes way too much sometimes...I don't know, but it just seems like you're finding reasons to pick on him or let out your frustrations on the "star player". I wouldn't blame VC for your problems, I'd blame your GM....and remember that before December '04, you guys were a sinking ship...</div> Carter passes way too much or is it sometimes? Make up your mind man If he passes a lot then Shaq is a 90% freethrow shooter
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So you blame the star player for losing? The Nets are not a deep team all they have is Carter, Kidd, Jefferson, and Krstic and you expect them to beat the Heat. </div> Weren't you the one that suggested we would win it all. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They could beat Detriot easily and if they play the Heat, nooe on the Heat could stop Vince Carter who is averageing 38.5 points against them this season including the 51 point explosion. </div> Source As for Carter, if he is the leader than he should fully take the responsiblity. All true leaders blame themselves for the teams losses. That's one of the things that defines a leader. So don't say we shouldn't blame him. How many times has Kidd blamed himself when the Nets didn't win? I'm also not hating on Carter but suggesting that we make a small change and let Kidd lead the charge. Who knows where we will end up? It might turn into chaos, or into a positive situation.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">So you blame the star player for losing? </div> Blame our STAR PLAYER? I'm not blaming KIDD...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Weren't you the one that suggested we would win it all. Source As for Carter, if he is the leader than he should fully take the responsiblity. All true leaders blame themselves for the teams losses. That's one of the things that defines a leader. So don't say we shouldn't blame him. How many times has Kidd blamed himself when the Nets didn't win? I'm also not hating on Carter but suggesting that we make a small change and let Kidd lead the charge. Who knows where we will end up? It might turn into chaos, or into a positive situation.</div> When we lost Robinson we lost our momentum and I knew the Heat would win after losing Robinson.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AMS_ice:</div><div class="quote_post">Blame our STAR PLAYER? I'm not blaming KIDD...</div> Carters the star player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">When we lost Robinson we lost our momentum and I knew the Heat would win after losing Robinson.</div> Robinson would not provide what we needed. I'm sure he couldn't shutdown Wade. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont know why you always fucking hating on Vince?</div> Cursing just makes you look desperate. He hates Vince...leave it alone. Not everyone on this forum looks at him as god.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Weren't you the one that suggested we would win it all. Source I'm also not hating on Carter but suggesting that we make a small change and let Kidd lead the charge. Who knows where we will end up? It might turn into chaos, or into a positive situation.</div> When Kidd was in control, good things happened to the Nets.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Robinson would not provide what we needed. I'm sure he couldn't shutdown Wade.</div> We just lost out momentum and you can't win without and damn momentum.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AMS_ice:</div><div class="quote_post">When Kidd was in control, good things happened to the Nets.</div> Yeah like losing in the finals twice.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Robinson would not provide what we needed. I'm sure he couldn't shutdown Wade. Cursing just makes you look desperate. He hates Vince...leave it alone. Not everyone on this forum looks at him as god.</div> Yeah but he keeps dissing him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah like losing in the finals twice.</div> Oh yea, but we didn't even get past the second round with Vince. Kidd did so much for the Nets so think again. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but he keeps dissing him.</div> Get over it. You don't see me getting crazy, after hearing people say Nash had a better career than Kidd multiple times.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">When we lost Robinson we lost our momentum and I knew the Heat would win after losing Robinson.</div> HA! The Nets lost their momentum when Robinson went out? Wow then we are all wrong! Robinson must be the STAR PLAYER?!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah like losing in the finals twice.</div> That's right! The FINALS! And not the second round. Kidd Could only give them 2 EAST titles... Unlike the almighty Carter... He carried the team to a 2nd rd. 4-1 loss to the Heat!
