I'm sorry but explain this one.....I would leave it alone, but tell me why Kobe's will is only matched by Jordans....to hell with Russell, Bird, Kareem......lol.....please break this down for me. __________________ The way Kobe plays is very identical to how mj did it when he was with chicago. russel, bird, kareem were good at their own positions and can be compared to many players that are in the nba. ex: a good comparison is magic to steve nash..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting baller24em:</div><div class="quote_post"> The way Kobe plays is very identical to how mj did it when he was with chicago. russel, bird, kareem were good at their own positions and can be compared to many players that are in the nba. ex: a good comparison is magic to steve nash..</div> So "will to win" = "the way a player plays"? Rock4Life said Kobe's "will to win" is only matched by Jordan ... "end of discussion." So, it's undebatable, according to Rock4Life, that Kobe has more of a "will to win" than Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Bill Russell, etc. And he's right. It is undebatable. There is no way in which the discussion can continue. It's like if I said "Yao is more super-duper than Shaq". You can't debate that. Because there's no way to measure how "super-duper" a player is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">No obviously I'm not the one who took the comments to heart as I didn't write two pages of crap in response to one ignorant post. Surely the best thing to do was to ignore it like 40 other people on this forum did.</div> That wasn't two pages of response. That was two pages of joking around during a boring afternoon. Big difference. If I took his post seriously, I would have written a serious response, but I laughed at it. And then DREAM laughed at it. And then we took turns laughing at it, until we were tired of it. What I find odd, is how you thought we were directing those jokes on all Kobe fans.
i never said "will to win" was how a player plays.. i was answering another question.. i believe that when you reach college basketball or the nba everyone knows how big it is to win. they get that through their experiences.. like i said better terms would be: kobe has more experience than many of the players in the nba and knows how to win games better than anyone else.
and that comes from my opinion.. people might see it differently but im not stating it as a fact am i?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">So "will to win" = "the way a player plays"? Rock4Life said Kobe's "will to win" is only matched by Jordan ... "end of discussion." So, it's undebatable, according to Rock4Life, that Kobe has more of a "will to win" than Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Bill Russell, etc. And he's right. It is undebatable. There is no way in which the discussion can continue. It's like if I said "Yao is more super-duper than Shaq". You can't debate that. Because there's no way to measure how "super-duper" a player is.</div> I will second Yao's super-duperness.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting baller24em:</div><div class="quote_post">i never said "will to win" was how a player plays.. i was answering another question.. i believe that when you reach college basketball or the nba everyone knows how big it is to win. they get that through their experiences.. like i said better terms would be: kobe has more experience than many of the players in the nba and knows how to win games better than anyone else.</div> Hardly everyone. I'd say that most players would rather make money than be on a winning team. That's why you have players leaving good teams for a huge contract on a bad team.
I agree with Durvasa that Yao's Superduperness is off the charts, and Shaq just doesn't compare in that area. Yao's Superduperness puts Kobe's will to win to shame statistically. lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It's like if I said "Yao is more super-duper than Shaq". You can't debate that. Because there's no way to measure how "super-duper" a player is. </div> man you have no idea how hard that made me laugh...hahaha "superduper"...I haven't used that since elementary school.
Moochie Norris is far more Ultra Uber compared to Gilbert Arenas! You can't debate me cuz you can't measure Ultra Uberness
I think that Kobe would've helped the USA Team a little, but this thread title U.S. wouldnt easily come home with gold. Kobe would made their chances better but they wouldn't have easily come home w/ gold. Kobe isn't god, that just automatically brings the gold
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">So "will to win" = "the way a player plays"? Rock4Life said Kobe's "will to win" is only matched by Jordan ... "end of discussion." So, it's undebatable, according to Rock4Life, that Kobe has more of a "will to win" than Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Bill Russell, etc. And he's right. It is undebatable. There is no way in which the discussion can continue. It's like if I said "Yao is more super-duper than Shaq". You can't debate that. Because there's no way to measure how "super-duper" a player is.</div> "Will to win" is measured by how many times you can depend on a player to come thru in the clutch. How many times a player can hit an INCREDIBLE shot or make consecutive plays down the stretch to give his team a chance to win. With that said, MJ is only player I know that did that consistently. Or maybe Reggie Miller, but Reggie was mostly offense. Kobe will not only hit a game winner in ur face, but he'll shut you down on defense. And he's currently the best at that. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe's "will to win" is the only thing that can truly end a discussion. But seriously, it's not that his "will to win" doesn't put him over the edge. It's that "will to win" is one of the most pointless and stupid terms I've ever heard. It doesn't mean anything, you can't measure it, and you can't perfect it, like Kobe supposedly has.</div> Pointless and stupid terms? Measuring somebody's "Will" is the same as measuring somebody's "Heart". So ur telling HEART doesn't mean anything? Having Heart is pointless and stupid term? That's pointless and stupid in itself
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">End of debate</div> Please stop saying "end of ..." You didnt prove anything, and even if you did, the discussion isn't over. "Will to win" is an unmeasurable thing. It's like measuring desire or greed. You just can't.
Darn, I was hoping to get in another word edge-wise, but if you say that's the end of the debate, then who are we to rebuttle. Anyway, Durvasa, Dream, Chutney, TFP, I have to disagree with you guys. You can totally measure a player's will to win, and in fact, I have devised a formula to calculate Kobe's will to win. It's quite simple actually: (Kobe's fg% in clutch + Number of playoff series won w/o Shaq) all divided by (the fact that Melo, Bron and Wade were all better in the clutch multiplied by the number of shots Kobe took in a game 7 against the Suns) There you have it, a way to measure Kobe's will to win. I'm sorry to rekindle a debate that Rock4life so eloquently ended, but I felt I had to add my two cents.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">"Will to win" is measured by how many times you can depend on a player to come thru in the clutch. How many times a player can hit an INCREDIBLE shot or make consecutive plays down the stretch to give his team a chance to win. With that said, MJ is only player I know that did that consistently. Or maybe Reggie Miller, but Reggie was mostly offense. Kobe will not only hit a game winner in ur face, but he'll shut you down on defense. And he's currently the best at that. </div> Ok, so it can be measured. You say it depends on how many times you can count on a player to come through in the clutch. Implicit in that is how often a player has an opportunity to come through in the clutch. Right? If you say that Kobe has "come through in the clutch" for more often than any other player, I'd have to ask out of how many opportunities, under what situation, etc. Then, once you have measured all of those variables, how do you put it all together to come to the final conclusion that Kobe's "will to win" is better than any other player in NBA history, outside of Jordan? And if you say that you don't have to consider all those variables, and you don't have to put it all together in some sort of systematic framework, then it ceases to be a credible measurement. It becomes a guess, or a hunch.
Dare you match wits with the legendary Rock4life? ^Very valid points, Durvasa, however, Rock4life will shoot down all your points with a few unsupported points, and his famous 3 words: "end of debate". None of us stand a chance.
Maybe we should just ask the players themselves. If I remember correctly I have Kobe's address, I got it from "Cabbie on the street". Its 123 Imaginary lane. I forget what Kobe's phone number was, but I think it was 1-800 don't call me. So if we ask Kobe and other basketball players we can ask them to measure their own will to win respectively and then make a chart and compare it. Sidenote: I think someone measured Kobe's will to win already and it was 6'9, he is one of the few players whose 'will to win' is actually longer than his wingspan, quite a rarity in the nba these days.
