Make the choice (Re: cap space)

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Defensively there are what 3 SF you'd take over him Iggy/Lebron/Deng? He shoots almost 40% from 3's and has the 4th best FG% of all SF's. Losing this guy for nothing will just hurt, I still believe in him and would only lose him if we can defiantly get Deron.

 

Batum's defense is really over-rated. We have all these supposed good defenders, yet our defense sucks so bad.

 

What does "calling his bluff" mean? If he signs an offer sheet, either the Blazers match or don't. It's not like Nic is going to try to get out of that offer if the Blazers don't match.

 

It would be an easier call if not for the pending coaching change. The next coach might get more out of him.

 

batum is worth about 11 million a year statistically, and then you also need to pay a premium for his likely improvement during his peak years, and his being a free agent

i think 12 million is fair...not sure id want them to pay it, but he will likely be worth it

 

Without Batum they could get creative and trade a pick (or both?) for an established younger player like Rondo and absorb the salary.

If we let Nic walk that'll leave about $25m in cap space to spend?

Maybe then make a run at Brook Lopez. Now these are the type of moves that we need to make to vault this team back into respectability.

But a Rondo/Batum off-season would be great as well.

 

wages of wins puts the value of a win at around 1.7 million, and nic had 4.8 winshares last year playing in 89% of the teams games...over a 82 game season that would put him at playing 73 games. extrapolating his 59 games played into 73 games gives him 5.9 wishares last season * 1.7 million = 10.09 million....

extrapolating his ws to 80 games (his 2010/11 total) gives him 6.5 winshares (he actually had 6.6 ws that year) for a value of 11.06 million

that gives us a 2 year sample of him being worth over 11 million dollars per season, so barring injury, he is likely to be worth at LEAST that for the next 5/6 years

 

Gordon is the shit but injuries man. The dude almost missed the entire season and missed a lot the season before. Not saying that Batum should or shouldn't walk; but putting my chips in for a player like him is a big risk. Isn't there another player out there?

 

As I said in the thread identical to this one 2 days ago, or maybe in the one 2 days before that one, statistical measures overvalue Batum because he shoots high percentages in all 3 kinds of shots.

For $11M, we will get a passive 3rd or 4th option in our offense, often findable for minimum NBA wage.

 

they overvalue his good shooting percentages? which statistical measures do this now?

 

With Us Skipping on Durant, we have no choice but to Sign Batum. He's the only one out there that can match up with KD for years to come.

 

All stats that include shooting. For example PER, but not rebounding efficiency.

In these semi-daily Batum threads, people say that Batum is not easily replaceable because of his...then they cite an exotic stat. I'm saying that his high shooting percentages may make him look Top 10 in the league in certain modern stats, but they're high because he is unaggressive about looking to shoot, and instead carefully conserves his opportunities. This makes some better SFs rank lower than him in the newfangled shooting stats.

 

these newfangled stats dont pass the "eye test"!



im going to name sfs better than him off the top of my head

lebron
durant
carmelo
paul pierce
danny granger maybe
iggy

you see a common trend here? these guys make an average of 17 million dollars a year

 

For $10-11M, I'd like to see him win us some games, and I don't remember any. He's replaceable by a selfish $4M good shooter who goes clutch at game ends.

We should sign him, pressure him to step it up, and if he can't, which I expect, trade him at the February deadline.

 

yes, when steve blake makes a game winning 3 pointer, that equals 1 win share

such as?

 

So he's replaceable by Jamal Crawford....except for the version that played for the Blazers?

 

haha i thought the exact same thing, except he said GOOD shooter, and uh, JC shot .384 last year...money from the ft line though!

 

Listening to some NY radio...

They think if a team (Portland?) backloaded a contract to Lin he's as good as gone.

 

Overrated.