Im not a weapons expert and Im shocked that civilian plans were flying over Afghanistan and Iraq while were were there. Facts still coming out on this situation but it seems like people knew they had these weapons, the rebels were tweeting pictures of them, they were also actively downing cargo jets with them. Also from what I gather the missle system didnt come from Russia, it came from a Ukraine base that was seized by the rebels.
It's like you're trying to blame the rape victim because her clothes were too sexy. This is 100% Russia's fault. Even if this was the Buk that was seized from Ukraine base it would still take highly trained personnel to operate it. That personnel came from Russia.
Nobody cares, it was full of non whites gays and women. Some of whom were all three. Seriously though that is some scary shit.
Just trying to question the system not the victims. It just seems that if there was a known danger then civilian aircraft should have been no where near the area. Russia doesn't get a pass from me either but we are still figuring out details and working on assigning blame. However they got the BUK's Russia knew they had them, we knew they had them, and everyone knew the rebels are not the most reliable fighting force. Seems like it was a group of errors that created the situation and a lot of people should have known better.
Just read through this thread. I'm guessing this is the post that inspired that one tweet about the OT board. Some people take things too seriously.
http://www.trust.org/item/20140723112758-3wd1b Pro-Russian Rebels announce they definitely shot down two Ukraine fighter jets. So they're saying they have the means, and are actively shooting down planes. Not very bright if they want to say "No, we can't shoot down the Malaysian flight, we don't have the motive or capabilities."
The missile supposedly came from the area controlled by the Ukrainian rebels, but audio seems to show a well-known (to the Ukrainians) Russian officer communicating with Moscow after the incident. It would make sense that Russia sent "advisors" with advanced weaponry into the battle and they fucked up. Russian needs to be embargoed, and right quick. The embargo ends when they stop their support of Ukrainian rebels and withdraw from Crimea. The UN should send in peacekeepers or NATO should send soldiers to train the Ukrainian army. Ukraine should offer free passage for any Ukrainian citizen to Russia if they wish to defect. After all, many are ethnic Russians who moved in the days of the Soviet Union. We should drop the silly law that we can't export oil. Make plans to deliver to Europe any oil or gas that Russia would choose to threaten them with. Finally, we should put back our missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic as a sign that we're done with Putin fucking around. Strength is the only thing his kind understands.
